ODU trying to salvage Conference USA, bring in ‘members of regional benefit’ after report that 6 teams are leaving
By - LamarcusAldrige1234
So.. Who do you bring into CUSA to replace the leaving schools?
IMO I feel like the Sun Belt is going to get the teams they want and this might be the end of CUSA...
Liberty and James Madison say hello
Why join a zombified CUSA when a living, breathing Sun Belt may be of interest?
CUSA is in a terrible position. Their media rights are the worst of all the conferences and the commissioner doesn't even know how many schools are in the conference. Why would anyone want to jump to that?
Anyone looking to upgrade to FBS and needing that all important “bona fide invite from an existing conference”, for one.
I think CUSA should target states that don’t have an FBS team to add from FCS. I think Montana, Montana State, NDSU, SDSU, or Maine.
I think one school they should really aim for is University of Puerto Rico from Div II. That’s a completely untapped market and could be a hot recruiting ground for 1-3 stars that just never played football before and end up being studs. While it’s a big risk for CUSA, I think that the potential recruiting for other teams in the conference may push CUSA to remain viable until the next conference realignment at least.
I’m laying heavy odds right now that they strike a deal with the ASUN or WAC. Both conferences are openly discussing wanting to upgrade to FBS.
ASUN, maybe, but the current WAC has zero attractive teams to bring to FBS. They might as well bring in NMSU since they're already FBS.
I mean, attractive or not, they’ve signaled their intentions. I’m pretty sure it’s gonna happen.
Liberty will take what it can get.
Liberty want to be evangelical Notre Dame. The only conference I think they’d join is the AAC
byu joining big 12 might make them consider a conference. but i think they probably stay independent while dreaming of acc.
BYU joining the Big 12 might have opened up a lane for them assuming they don’t mess up the hire when Freeze goes back to the SEC
Liberty: “dreaming of acc”
Huh? Maybe dreaming of aac, but the ACC already has nearby UVA and VTech. Other than some evangelist Liberty supporters, what’s the benefit for the ACC?
The ACC would never, in a million years, if they were the last team on earth… accept Liberty as a member.
i didn't say the acc was dreaming of liberty. but liberty wants to be like notre dame. same for byu.
This is the correct take
What’s amazing is JMU was offered a Sun Belt full membership because they wanted a football only membership, or were holding out for C-USA/AAC, so CCU got the spot instead. The fortunes of the Sun Belt have risen so quickly that I think they take it in a heartbeat, but might not take C-USA.
JMU has to spend less money of football if they move to FBS by state law. As long as they are FCS they can spend more on football.
That’s why they turned it down. They need a large conference media deal to be able to justify the move.
Sorry what, how does that make sense?
It’s because the program doesn’t make money. So they use student fees to fund the program. It is a large school so they can raise a lot of money through student fees.
But the state doesn’t want students burdened by having to fund sports ambitions so there are caps to the percentage of athletic funding that can come from student feeds for every state school in Virginia. The cap is based on the level you play. D3 schools can have a larger percentage of their funding come from student fees than FBS schools. And if FCS schools move up their limit is lower.
*State law written by UVA and VT alumni, I'm sure*
Im not aware of this rule other than I know VA has weird rules with regarding college budgets. How does that work?
Zero chance JMU joins CUSA over the Sun belt. The sun belt is in a much better position.
there is the possibility they join if they ask the sunbelt, and sunbelt says no.
but anyone not in CUSA is clearly favoring the sunbelt as their landing spot AT LEAST for the moment.
It's a nasty fact of the past 15 years that there are no realistic scenarios where every conference has somebody interested in joining. There's always one conference at the bottom of the totem pole. Last time, it was the WAC (and narrowly not the Sun Belt). This time, it's C-USA.
Credit to the Sun Belt on wisely choosing their teams this go-around. They kept their footprint regional and somehow came out better than a conference trying to have a more "national" footprint that was easy to steal from for a larger league.
Yeah they chose a financially Responsible route and chose product over long term potential and being in big cities. Yet 90% of this sub think the AAC going after team like FAU and GA St is a terrific idea. Product matters, especially in a landscape where cable cutting is a thing. Having games people care about, and brands people care about makes money. Troy vs Georgia Southern is more appealing than Charlotte and Texas State. It just is.
Agreed. They're shopping solely on potential, and yes, GA State and Charlotte have that, but realizing it is another thing entirely.
For my money, I'd picked App State over Charlotte but they still think TV markets matter. I'm willing to bet the streaming numbers for App State will dwarf Charlotte in the long run.
I am not I'm favor of this drive to retain markets. Rice is not Houston and any effect conference affiliation has on that market will be nil. They would have more value in pulling in Buffalo IMO.
Last time I saw, JMU was only picking up the phone for the American. So it will be interesting to see if ODU can pull them into (the dying) CUSA.
Liberty don’t want to be the CUSA
Southern Miss and Marshall are probably the most likely to be Sun Belt bound.
If UTEP is stuck in CUSA, you might as well invite New Mexico State. James Madison and/or Liberty can be a partner to Old Dominion. See if Kennesaw, EKU, or some other FCS school is interested in moving up.
After that...I don't know.
As excited as I would be to see Kennesaw to move up, we just aren’t in that position yet. We’ve had a football team for like 8 years and our stadium fits like 8,000. Give us like 10 years and a chance for the community to get more involved and I think we’d be a great prospect
uconn and umass as football only members?
sunbelt rejected eastern kentucky a couple years ago.
CUSA has an autobid to NCAAs in every other sport. The conference won’t die out but it’ll thin out talent for sure
The CUSA has 14 members currently.
If 6 bolt, they're down to 8. 7 is the minimum size for a tournament bid in basketball (I would assume it's the same in other sports). Sun Belt picks off a few and that might be it for the entire conference.
They have FBS football to offer, which is more than enough to get someone to move up even if they were at risk to go under 7 programs.
They about to get Big Easted.
FCS Teams and then Liberty
I expect to see the sunbelt announce their CUSA acquisitions pretty soon, the Sunbelt Commish was in Huntington last month so hopefully we dont get left behind. The teams that get left behind in CUSA are at a real risk of ending up back in the FCS.
They wouldn't get "left behind." CUSA can find plenty of FCS schools willing to jump up. Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, Sam Houston State, Central Arkansas, Delaware, Stony Brook (I hope), Missouri State, etc... CUSA has an autobid to the NCAA tournament and an FBS charter. Those are of significant value.
Article says they are trying to bring schools that are more regional to Norfolk, VA which means Liberty and JMU coming up from FCS. Maybe they attempt to get UConn and UMass as football only members or convince Richmond to come up to FBS as well.
I think ODU realizes they have a high chance of being left out and forced to go independent or back to FCS if the Sun Belt raids the CUSA leftovers so they are trying to take the initiative.
> Maybe they attempt to get UConn and UMass as football only members or convince Richmond to come up to FBS as well
That would require CUSA to change their thinking on all-sports membership given they were about to boot UAB a few years ago over losing football...
Yeah I'm not too sure CUSA has a lot of leverage right now. I can't imagine their convictions are so strong that they'd rather the league fold.
There's a wee bit of different between accepting football-only members, and requiring full members to sponsor football.
>Maybe they attempt to get UConn and UMass as football only members
Just adding schools to add schools isn't going to help the conference if those schools aren't going to contribute anything to the conference. Not every school leaving has to be replaced.
Wouldn't they need to get to 12 to host a championship game? Those are also two pretty decently sized media markets to pitch to the networks.
Big 12 only has 10
Yeah, I thought they had a special exemption from the NCAA to get around that. I was wrong and the NCAA changed the rule to requiring a full round robin to have one so a 10 team CUSA definitely could, but there is an additional issue. That means CUSA would need to play 9 conference games which limits the schools ability to get pay games that many use to help fund the ADs. Maybe not a huge deal but something that would be considered if deciding between 10 and 12.
Richmond would disband football before going FBS. JMU obviously is looking to jump. The only ones that I can think of in the CAA that would think about it are Delaware and Stony Brook. A true wildcard would be North Carolina A&T
I know nothing about Richmond and their feelings on going FBS so that was a random name pull based on them having a reasonably strong FCS program in Virginia.
Richmond’s stadium only seats 8,217, not even close to what would be needed for FBS.
They also only have about 4K students. Pretty sure that would make it by far the smallest school in FBS.
Surprisingly no, Tulsa is smaller, it’s very close though
The two dozen or so of us are too busy wanting to fire our entire administration into the sun for so many self inflicted wounds over the past 5-10 years.
Random team name I came up with for the region is Towson in Baltimore. Has to be Richmond since VCU doesn't have a team. Delaware isn't too far.
The problem with UConn and UMass being in FBS is neither are that invested in being FBS outside of name only. They have stronger basketball leagues (Big East and A-10) that they will never leave unless an ACC type of invite came, which it won't.
Adding them for football only may help the league keep numbers, but the lack of full conference investment basically sets it up to be "Big Easted" again.
My guess is Liberty will jump at a conference wanting them, JMU will say "lol no thanks," and they may luck out with a Richmond, EKU, maybe even Buffalo to help the numbers. However, I doubt they get back to 14, and I doubt the departures are over at this point.
I agree CUSA is basically a dead man walking. I was really just going through the options they have to attempt to survive. None of them are really any good nor are they really sustainable.
ODU is essentially doing the same thing that CUSA did when they proposed rearranging with the AAC. Desperate bid to keep themselves afloat.
At worst, UConn and UMass are available. Probably New Mexico State and Liberty too.
…UConn is not picking up that phone call.
Having one less G5 conference also significantly hurts for voting on things. The remaining original AAC schools really got f'd by ESPN all around here except they keep the original AAC tv money and get entrance/exit fees. Why should I care hoe much money my University has? Basketball is about to be deep fried shit and football won't be much better, but at least most of those schools have no fans to watch the shitfest.
CUSA grabs Liberty, JMU, Jacksonville St, Missouri St, Chatanooga, Eastern Kentucky, or maybe UMass/UConn/NMSU as football-only members. Maybe some basketball only members from the ASun/OVC. Hell, if admins in the belt would still rather be in C-USA we may have just made C-USA stronger.
Duke, Wake Forest, and VT
"Then Conference USA’s eastern division could feature ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall and Western Kentucky/Middle Tennessee. Southern Miss. Louisiana Tech, FIU, UTEP and Western Kentucky/MTSU could make up a western division."
In what world is Florida International farther West than Western Kentucky or Middle Tennessee State?
It's more like a north division and south+UTEP division.
Yeah, FIU in this East would keep WKU and MTSU together, which is good.
> ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall and Western Kentucky/Middle Tennessee
ODU: Just go to the Sun belt with JMU, Marshall, and Southern Miss and let this garbage conference die.
fuck that come with us to the Funbelt!
Meh to ODU in all aspects.
Not if you like NCAAB, tho
Meh. I very much enjoy Marshall basketball, don't get me wrong. But we don't have enough money to devote enough to both football and basketball. I'd rather Marshall basketball also be in the Sun Belt in that regard.
Yeah, i'd like to see Funbelt. But doesn't feel like we're about to get left in the dust again? I hold onto that commish sighting in Huntington like a warm blanket at this point.
I don't go off of much of anything beyond facts, particularly since my outlook is almost always more negative than the average Marshall fan. But yes, the Sun Belt commissioner being in Huntington a few weeks ago is giving me far more hope than I'm usually comfortable with lol
Who's to say that the Fun Belt doesn't become the premiere G5 conference in the next few years? I'd much rather take my chances with them.
The rumor is that Marshall will present C-USA as an “East Coast G5” to Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, and Georgia State, in an effort to add all 4.
I doubt it works. C-USA is not with ESPN, and they still have UTEP.
When it doesn’t work, rumor is that Marshall is going to have to decide if it wants Sun Belt. If it doesn’t, there are other C-USA teams that will take their spot.
I'm fine with this approach, but would honestly just prefer us moving straight over to the Sun Belt. I'm really tired of being in a conference with any Texas teams at all - especially UTEP.
We'd love to have you!
We'd love to be there!
This move could force UTEP & New Mexico State to force their way into the MWC.
UTEP regularly attempts to get into the MWC. The MWC has no interest.
Maybe this turmoil changes that? They have history with some of the MWC teams especially UNM.
N.M. State makes sense since their in state rival is already there. I realize they’re having financial issues.
UTEP just tried to get into the MWC in the last week or two, though:
> Before the AAC news broke, sources told the Action Network that officials at North Texas, Rice, UTSA and UTEP had contacted the Mountain West about joining the conference. North Texas and Rice had the most serious discussions, but ultimately, the Mountain West decided to remain at 12 schools, sources said.
It won't. They had no interest in Rice/UNT when they kicked the tires earlier this Fall.
New Mexico State may be better off booting up FBS WAC with UTEP, Texas State, and the FCS motley crew (crue) that joined from the Southland, Big Sky, and D II.
Yeah, our big issues are budget and geography and UTEP is in an only slightly better position than we are. All the MW teams we used to be conference mates with have significantly increased their budgets since then, and it actually wouldn't be fair to us or them to share a conference again. I would prefer we stay on our current course as the move ups would be closer to us budget wise, and travel for the Olympic sports is much more reasonable.
If offered a conference spot, I think we'll take it, but us joining UTEP in CUSA won't make it any more stable. The spread in cultures and distance is just too great to work
Bring it. I'm on board
You especially might be the only Bobcat on board 😝
Sorry that's my secondary Tarleton Fandom talking.
Texas State should stay the course in the improving SBC and be glad that we didn't join CUSA only to be dumped like LaTech
I know the TSU in your name stands for Tarlton State.
Keep being a Texan first man. Its all good. I like Tarlton. Its the other dead Texans I cant stand.
More likely they team up and try to revive the WAC...
UTEP does that to all of their conference mates hahaha
My frustrations with UTEP emerged a few years ago when I realized their basketball is awful despite their 'history' claims, which are meaningless when you realize how bad they've been in basketball for so long. This season notwithstanding, their football averages like 2 or 3 wins a year. AND they're the furthest west team, so why are they still in CUSA?
Because we don't want them either. They'd be a good fit for the new WAC to be fair.
Thats where I'm hoping we go in the long run. I dont like CUSA and hope we can get into a western based conference at some point.
I mean, as negative as this is going to come off, I don't care where they go. I'm saying it's kinda odd that CUSA hasn't just pushed them out the same way that the Sun Belt kicked out NMSU a few years ago (probably for almost the same reasons I'm harping on right now, and NMSU has WAY more recent and significant basketball strength, too).
That would be great if UTEP got kicked out of CUSA honestly. Id prefer independence over staying in the CUSA anyways, until the WAC is ready to go FBS.
NMSU was on a temporary contact with the sunbelt so it was easy to remove them since they were not a full conference member.
Appalachian state would be nuts to leave the Sun Belt for CUSA
Its not even a consideration as far as I can see. Marshall, So Miss, and maybe WKU and MTSU to the sunbelt and then CUSA probably just dies or limps along as a collective of independents with no TV deal.
I mean, not if the other 3 schools go too. It’s just a question of who poaches who
Zero chance any of those teams jump to CUSA. CUSA has a terrible commissioner and a terrible media deal.
It looks like ODU thinks their time is coming if they don't make moves.
SBC, just add Marshall, WKU, MTSU and Southern Miss and call it a day.
Payouts and fees. The teams want to stick around to collect.
Yeah, let's completely disband the conference so UAB doesn't have to pay exit fees. I'm down.
Marshall COULD use an international airport!
“Yesss, you can join the SunBelt . . . Where App will give you the BEATING OF A LIFETIME!”
*App feebly attempts to hit Marshall on the head with baseball bat*
Marshall: “listen, if you wanted us-stop that; if you wanted us in the SunBelt that bad then why didn’t you just say so?”
You could take the payouts, or you could take what's in the box!
"The box... the BOX!"
Ah yes, the Mountain East
Here's what it seems like to me: "Yeah, we wanna go, but we need to collect these exit fees..."
I know many will think I’m just salty, but over the last five years, the 6 leaving teams have (on average) brought the average FPI and SRS ratings down compared to the 8 remaining teams. And the leaving six have a lower average attendance than the remaining eight. This is about media markets and this version of C-USA proved that doesn’t always pan out. Call up Liberty and get a good FCS program, and I’ll be happy
I'm with you 100%. I'm happy the Texas schools left. I just want Marshall to stay and JMU to move up.
I mean the Texas schools made geographic sense for us, I’m only worried that the conference will still stretch from El Paso to Norfolk
I agree and for that reason, I think UTEP should leave and LT should be our most Western team. I know you guys were in the middle of teams and now you'll most likely be on the edge but I think it's best for the rest of the conference to be more travel conscience.
We just wanted the Nebraska game to not be at 11AM. We didn't mean to kill G5 football.
Sorry bout that.
*me responding to Oklahoma fans* oh dear oh sweetie
*me responding to Texas fans* YOU FUCKING DONKEY
Basically everyone tbh
I don't recall flipping past the Sooner Network on television.
I don’t recall seeing Longhorn PPV, and it’s the wrong part of the year for things like Jayhawk Network, especially after week 3
I don't remember having to try and bootleg stream a ranked primetime conference matchup with Oklahoma because it was on the fucking Sooner Network that they don't offer outside of Oklahoma...
Hey, as long as we end up in the Sun Belt with App State, we're very thankful. If we end up in whatever cesspool CUSA is going to turn into, though, I will end up hating OU and Texas almost as much as I hate wvu.
And if you end up if the MAC with WKU?
Don't put this awful trash ass option in front of me, please.
But it's regional!
I have less than zero interest in a Midwest-regional conference affiliation. Zero cultural alignment and doesn't gel with our recruiting focus for the last 15 - 20 years.
I don't know man, I drove from Indy to Williamsburg earlier this year, and you get into eastern Ohio, and it kind of just blends in to West Virginia. Frankly, parts of Indiana and Michigan are the same too.
I live in Indianapolis - I get it. What I'm saying is the actual culture is very different. Marshall, Huntington, West Virginia in general are all way, WAY more similar to a southern culture than anything resembling a midwest culture. I'd also rather Marshall be in a conference that continues to strive to improve (any conference that isn't the MAC basically?), rather than be complacent and happy where they are (the MAC)
You like that option less than zombie CUSA? It’s not like CUSA is ever going to be able to add anyone again. Maybe JMU? If they’re lucky. At least we have history with MAC programs and bringing WKU with us is something at least.
I like the MAC option slightly more than zombie CUSA, and I LOATHE the idea of zombie CUSA. They're both total shit options.
Is ODU's idea of some more Virginia teams entertaining for you at all?
You mean Liberty? Absolutely not.
Lol, Marshall IS a MAC school and will always be a MAC school. The farthest MAC school from Huntington less the 400 miles away. The MAC was the conference that brought us back to the FBS. Lets quit playing in Florida, Louisiana, and Texas (even though I live there and got to attend UNT game) and lets make beating Bowling Green great again
G5 athletic departments just bleed money from their schools. The same is true for plenty of P5s as well. Being “Midwest-regional” considering that dynamic is not the worst idea. Marshall could easily ride a bus to basically all of the MAC East.
I do think you’ll end up in the Sun Belt though.
As much as I wouldn’t blame Marshall for not flying, nobody is bussing anywhere in 2021 unless it’s a couple hours away
Sure they are. Most MAC games are bussed and some B1G too. You think it’s worth it to fly when you can get somewhere by bus in 2-5 hours? Bussing can save tens of thousands of dollars per trip. That adds up for a lot of programs.
Oh I’m sure we’d bus to Ohio. Maybe even Miami. Everywhere else though? I doubt it.
The MAC is a better conference than the current version of CUSA and makes substantially more per school than the SBC and CUSA
SBC will probably get a great media contract in the near future though
It beats staying in cusa, hell I'd take it as a FIRST option if it means getting away from Judy
The Big 12/Fox schedule the Nebraska-Oklahoma game for 11 am ---> Conference USA disbands
Some interesting domino effects we've experienced this season.
Sounds like a 30 for 30 trailer line. What if I told you an 11 am kick off killed an athletic confrence.
Bottom line is it all goes back to the Big 12. Everything that happens in the Big 12 is either caused by Texas or to get away from Texas. So yes, it is 100% Texas fault CUSA is going away.
Boooo this man BOOOOO
The acc killed CUSA by raiding the big east. You guys just put CUSA 3.0 out of its misery.
Jk I love the new big 12. Rip G5
Maybe I’m wrong, but this would imply that the Sun Belt isn’t interested in ODU? I feel they’d be a great fit along with Marshall, Southern Miss, and JMU
I think we learned from the last rounds of expansion and CUSA’s mistakes. You don’t become a better G5 conference by poaching other bottom feeding G5 schools. The Sun Belt arguably became stronger when we started replenishing the ranks with good FCS schools that wanted a shot at FBS status.
I think we should try to poach one or two top CUSA teams that could bring a lot to the table, but I don’t think expanding just to be a life boat to CUSA teams makes much sense.
We're learning that having solid product, compactness, and strong historical rivalries is more important than large media markets.
Part of the reason I think the new Big 12 is going to be stronger than people think. The remains of the Big 8 (KU, KSU, ISU, OSU) have been together for nearly 100 years, and the Texas schools (BU, TTU, TCU, UH) have strong history from the SWC, along with Cincy and WVU having old Big East ties. The only teams that don't have history are BYU and UCF, but BYU has the "religious" ties that Baylor and to a very minimal extent TCU have. UCF is kinda out in the cold on this one though for history, but does have an enormous enrollment, so hopefully things work out.
The elephant in the room is that ESPN isn’t interested in any of those teams. They control the SBC media deals and most of those markets won’t add anything. Sunbelt is filler for bowl games and week nights for them.
You guys still too good to be in a conference with us plebs?
They may end up back in the WAC if their administration doesn't lose that attitude.
I don’t think they’re interested in anyone sadly. Can’t blame them though. All us Marshall fans are being way too optimistic to be Marshall fans
ODU to the AAC confirmed
They’re probably next on the list if needed I would imagine. Norfolk is a decent sized market
Decent market, new football stadium, large fan base, good size budget, it's pretty good option, IMHO.
[Spears] Western Kentucky yelled, “There you go!” Marshall University gave a look of pleasant surprise. Liberty University belted, “We got a fucking squad now.” And before Old Dominion hit the locker room door, FCS-power James Madison University hugged him & said, “Y’all look so different.”
ODU: Just get out and join the Sun Belt. Don't try to be a hero. The conference ain't worth saving at this point.
ODU out here doing the work our conference commissioner should have been doing for a decade now. Still too little too late, unfortunately.
You can thank Bennett for that. She serves at the pleasure of the university presidents
JMU and Liberty would be good fits even in a weak CUSA. I like the idea of Southern Miss and Marshall joining Sun Belt. If UTEP and NMSU can’t find landing spots, they may have to join WAC. That would help that league’s chances of jumping back to FBS.
I’m worried about MTSU just getting left out in the cold and becoming the umass or UConn of the south
Lol we’re fucked. And it serves us right for allowing our program to become so stagnant. Our AD put out a lame ass statement today. We might end up back in the OVC at this rate.
I have absolutely no faith in our administration. They will botch this entirely.
I think going to the MAC with WKU could be an option if they don’t figure something else out. Maybe not what you want, but MTSU is one of the CUSA schools that could work out for.
Trying to bring in Liberty and JMU
I’m cool with JMU but not sure why they would even want to join
They hate the CAA and want to be FBS. If sun belt isn't interested in them, they'd love to be in cusa.
There’s still the issue of needing another team. I bet ODU and JMU go sunbelt
I don’t blame CUSA for making all the hail marry last ditch efforts they have nothing to lose, but it sadly shows they’re resorting to hail marry last ditch efforts which almost seals their fate.
NC A&T has said in the past they’re interested in examining FBS
Think they'll need to find a new Dominion
I can’t imagine the CUSA exists in a year. They are already competing w the Sun Belt for least valuable TV deal. After losing 6 schools the conference has absolutely nothing to bring to the table.
Our president and (interim) Athletic Director have also made statements.
Both say basically the same thing. They want to do “what is best for Marshall athletics”.
Gilbert (our president) is retiring soon, so I’m hoping he does something that’ll really help his legacy. Fingers crossed it means a move to the Sun Belt!
Honestly the CUSA has been an abomination for 10+ years but now that it’s staring death in the eyes I’m starting to catch feelings
You can do it Coach Rahne!
All this talk about the Sun Belt raiding C-USA.
My, how the turntables...
Time to bring back Idaho
ODU throwing one shot glass of water at a time at a house fire. Good luck folks.
I honestly don't see how Conference-USA survives after this. The conference was already fairly weak as it is, and losing almost half of the schools in one go might be a death blow.
For the remaining schools there probably isn't much of a choice (maybe some can get into the Sunbelt?). So they kind of have to pick up scraps (Liberty, NMSU?) And continue.
That's what we said about the WAC and they're still trying to make a come back to FCS and then FBS.
At this point, "Western Athletic Conference" is just a name. NMSU is the only school that was in the conference in 2012 and still there. Incidentally, 2012 was Hawaii's last season, and they were the only one school left that had been in the conference more than 20 years. (Strange to think that Nevada isn't far from reaching as much time in the MWC as WAC.)
There is exactly 1 school in the sun belt that was there when it started. South Alabama. It can be done. But Judy McLeod is not the person to do it.
We will be Indy the same amount of time we were in the MW. Time is weird
Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.
Be Texas State.
40k students, $38m budget, new facilities, good location, top 3 sbc commissioner cup finish every year...
But, our football is shit
If you have all of those benefits, why hasn’t your football program been able to win?
Because winning isn’t easy
Winning is hard, as Tom Herman used to say
Old Dominion should go the Sun Belt route and take Marshall and JMU with them.
Marshall, App State, JMU, ODU, Coastal Carolina, and even Liberty would make a great conference
Would JMU want to join the new look CUSA though?
If CUSA can guarantee that Marshall is staying then sure… Otherwise if Marshall is being courted by SBC we’d like to follow them there and have them bring ODU as well as a travel partner. Would love to be in a conference with App, Marshall and ODU
MORE travel? No thanks. We want regional rivals.
Bring in JMU, Liberty, NCA&T, Delaware, Charleston Southern, UCA and Missouri State.
An HBCU moving to FBS would certainly be some pretty huge news.
Get Florida A&M in here for FBS take 2 Electric Boogaloo.
Secondary flair is not joining a conference that requires travel to El Paso or Ruston, LA (no offense to your towns but Delaware's current conference geography is better despite an ass arrangement in the CAA re: media rights).
If you get something more geographically relevant, we'd probably consider it.
UTEP is probably going to the MW.
Nah. They are too poor and only this year have had a winning record for the first time I can remember. They belong there, for sure, but the MW isn't going to add anyone that doesn't bring in more tv money
I think Kennesaw state has to be attractive to be attentive to a conference that wants FCS teams. Would make sense to me given how big they are and you get access to Georgia