Tony Jones... what now?
By - bronton21
Ride that rocket to the moon, baby. Tony FUCKIN Jones
I've been on that rocket waiting for blastoff and I'm hearing that countdown begin. Let's go!
Tony Jones or Ty’Son Williams?
I'd say Tony Jones. Both still need an injury to really be a legitimate lineup contributor, and Jones would score more than Williams if both starters went down. The Saints RB1 spot is more lucrative than the Ravens RB1.
Ty’son looks much better, so I have to go with talent.
Did you see Tony Jones in the preseason? How could Ty’son possibly look “much better”
Yes. He looks so freaking average
Ravens signed bell to practice squad so for sure Tony Jones
Well yeah the Ravens aren’t going to enter the season with two runningbacks lol
The guy who has a chance to catch passes
Neither looks like that guy. Bell on the ravens and obv kamara catches plenty, but Dwayne washington may also take passing snaps. Jones has received praise for pass blocking so he may be there on passing downs, but doesnt profile as much of a receiving back.
He plays on a team who throws to running backs, at least.
Ya I would say jones has a better chance to get passing down work, but if Kamara is healthy I see jones getting a target or two per game. Jameis is not a checkdown guy, but Hill definitely could be.
Ty’son Williams is a worse version of JK Dobbins. They have similar skill set and play style just Dobbins is better. I don’t believe Gus all of the sudden becomes the bell cow with 80%+ of the carries. If the split was 60-40 between Dobbins and Gus then I think the split between Gus and the rest of the RB will be closer to 55-45. With Williams getting most of the 45.
You hold. Then if Kamara gets hurt you either play him or sell high. If someone is desperate for a RB and Kamara gets banged up turning Jones into the starter you could probably flip him for a 2nd when that time comes
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Edit: a name
Thanks brother. I had a feeling I had those mixed up. Didn't mean to disrespect Sir Swish!
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Bro, if Kamara gets hurt and this guy is starting, you could potentially flip him for a 1st. Someone is gonna want that offense with Payton there and pay stupid high for it
It’s exactly what I’m waiting for. I had him added in a few bundle trades today before the news even broke. But now it’s just a waiting game. Such a long season. And to have the RB behind Kamara is potential gold to someone trying to win now.
Yeah I wouldn’t be too surprised. I’d obviously accept the 1st but I’d accept the 2nd too if it was my best offer
Easy hold. Kamara didn't have great measurable either and he's been fire. Running backs are highly influenced by environment. Amazing OLine and arguably greatest offensive mind at head coach? Only ONE guy in front of him? IN A BACKFIELD THAT SPLITS TOUCHES?! Hold for fucks sake. Maybe consider buying to those who are ready to flip an opportunity for some random 3rd.
I traded him straight up for Kenny Gainwell right after Payton said he's the #2
This is what's going to happen with Tony Jones in the next 24-48 hours.
But here's the timeline first:
* Preseason Game 1 happens: Who is that guy? Ah, Tony Jones. Doesn't look terrible. Is doing a good job in pass protection. Being used in the passing game. Let's pick him up for $0 FAAB.
* After Preseason Game 1: "Murray and Freeman look BAD". Rumors are Murray is on the bubble, too.
* Preseason Game 2: Latavius Murray goes 4/6 but "He's still the 2, right? Right? Hello?" Sean Payton: ACKSHUALLY Tony Jones is our RB2.
*Reddit confused noises*
At that point people should have realized. Preseason game 3 is cancelled to weather. No one gets to see any more signs of a changing of the guard. Murray looked BAD in preseason. Freeman gets cut. But the rumors were already rampant but who does that leave you with? Dwayne Washington (yeah that guy) and Ty Montgomery (who looked bad in preseason too). The Saints WR corps is decimated so why not keep Montgomery?
*Saints release Latavius Murray*
*Reddit shocked noises*
Tony Jones is now worth a shit-ton of FAAB if no one has been paying attention and for those who did, in the span of 3 weeks, Tony Jones has gone from a $0 FAAB pickup to people selling him for 2022 2nds because he's the legit RB2 behind Alvin Kamara.
Sure - to some people Tony Jones may look pedestrian and might have bad measurables but Sean Payton trusts him enough in pass protection AND the passing game to flat out say Jones was the team's RB2 DURING the preseason game while Murray was still on the team. I don't care what your stats says, if Payton is talking about you like he's going to adopt you along with Taysom Hill - you have to take notice.
Now you're going to have this weird market for him were people will want to buy him for a 3rd but Tony Jones owners will want a 2nd or more. Totally fair, I guess?
Latavius Murray had 180 touches in 2019 and 169 touches in 2020. Nothing from this offense tells me Alvin Kamara is absorbing any of that. Especially with 17 games on the line. Those could very well be Tony Jones touches for 2021. MAYBE it's not that many, but Latavius Murray was still statistically an RB3 in 0.5 PPR.
**TLDR**: You might hate Tony Jones as a potential RB2 on this team, but the coach believes in him, the team believes in him, and even if Kamara is upset they cut Murray, Tony Jones is going to get opportunities - and isn't that what fantasy is all about?
And yet, even when Murray was having all those touches, no one wanted him for a 3rd, except the occasional Kamara owner.
If someone from this sub is in your league, trade him for 2 firsts, obviously. If you play in a normal league with normal people then hold onto him and enjoy his production on bye weeks for at least this year and maybe the future too.
How much faab do you drop if he is available?
I went with about 5% but probably overpaid
Uhhhh...5%? Overpay? What size are your rosters...
QB, 2RB, 2 TE, 4 WR, 3 Flex, SF
Ty'Son went for about 20%, I got Tony the same week. Should be noted this was last Saturday, prior to the Lat Murray release. I might go as high as 10% now
Wait for a blow up game in the regular season or a Kamara injury. He's still UDFA with pretty poor measurables
So you admit you’re grading him without actually watching. He’s good in pass pro and has good hands. He’s 220 and runs like it.
If Kamara goes down, he will put up stats. And all for the cost of a throw away pick or FA pickup.
> He’s good in pass pro and has good hands.
Loved his blocking. Guy got himself to get on the field because of it and has been catching passes. Couple that with a Jameis Winston who was looking at checking down more in the preseason than probably in the entirety of his career.
Exactly! His tape actually looks good but we know many of this sub simply looks at 40 times as the major determinant of if someone is going to be good. If you look at his measurable, they are almost identical to Mark Ingrams
His tape is like 4 quarters worth of preseason action. You shouldn’t really be making talent determinations on that
He’s definitely played more than 4 quarters. But it’s really a combination of looking good in the preseason, and the fact that he just beat out Latavius Murray for the #2 role. The same Latavius who was rock solid for them last year (4.5 y/a) and got 150+ touches. Now they’ve gone as far as cutting Latavius (I know that was mostly contract related), but by all accounts Tony already had the job locked in before the cut.
Lol he’s had 12 preseason rushes. 12.
It’s great he beat out Latavius, I also don’t think he’s just automatically getting every Latavius carry. He’s the backup, but definitely the 2 as opposed to the 1B which is sort of what Latavius occupied
I mean, he also had 6 catches for 40 something yards. And those 12 rushes went for 106 yards. They also only played 2 preseason games. You can’t really deny that he’s looked really good with the touches he’s gotten, and very solid in pass-pro.
With the lengthened season, I doubt the Saints try to put much more of a workload on Kamara (especially with all the money they invested in him). Enter Tony Jones.
The saints lost their hall of fame QB, and don’t have their superstar wideout for half the year. If the Saints want to win (which Sean Payton does), they’re going to have to ride Kamara. Exit Tony Jones
And his many oppurtunies is he even going to get to pass block or receive. If they’re passing Kamara is out there
This is exactly what I’m saying though. No Brees, so rushing the ball becomes that much more important. Kamara is their most important player right now, so they can’t risk absolutely abusing him until he breaks. On top of that no Michael Thomas for likely the whole FFB season, so that should result in an increase of the 450+ touches Kamara / Latavius got last year… and I doubt the plan is to give much, if any, of those touches to Ty Montgomery.
Michael Thomas by all accounts will be back by week 7, so not sure where you’re getting that from.
And if the Saints want to win, it’s not going to be by easing Kamara to make him last. Kamara needs to be getting the Dalvin Cook/McCaffery treatment this year, as he’s the only shot the Saints have at a competent offense.
Since Kamara is their only hope, they’re not going to ease him up and give a lot of his work to an undrafted guy. They just aren’t. Kamara is going to be the offense, and Jones will be the backup to him.
Plenty of college tape too
Yeah and his college tape was so impressive not a single team wanted to waste a pick on him. You can be excited about him but the tape argument is a bad one for Jones
sell for Jamaal Williams ASAP
If Jamaal Williams is the answer you're asking the wrong question.
It was a joke ref to the Swift post
Latavius had 170 touches last year I think. That's all going to Tony. He'll be a solid flex play this year book it
Can’t tell if this is a joke
No he actually did have around 170 touches. Those have to go to someone right?? No MT either. Idk I just might be shooting for the stars because I own tony jones. But a man can dream right?
Especially with the longer season, I'd think the saints would want to lessen the wear and tear on Kamara, and to do so, will utilize Jones as much, if not more, than they did last year with Murray.
I know this sub has hyped him up, but honestly i think he looks very pedestrian.
I'm no talent scout, but if the saints thought he was good enough they could cut Murray he could be something. Probably not an rb1 but maybe rb3 with good handcuff value.
It's crazy. He's a terrible prospect that went undrafted. We just did this with Qadree Ollison a few weeks ago. He's big, slow, unathletic, and doesn't catch passes. Literally the only positive case for him is "the Saints have nobody else behind Kamara" which, as we just saw, can change very quickly.
Huh? Watch him play. He’s good in pass pro and a good receiver. And he’s in line for plenty of touches.
How is he a good receiver, he averaged 9 receptions per year in college? He spent almost all of last year on the practice squad, now all of a sudden people in this sub are treating him like he's better than Mattison and Pollard. He ran a 4.7.
I've actually found this sub very useful. But certain players reach peak hype.
What i usually like to do is pay close attention to people who state why they don't like a particular player. It's good to make a decision based on both positive & negative
He’s a good receiver because you watch him catch the ball. Watch his adjustments to the ball. He apparently played baseball too. The hand-eye coordination is there.
You can’t just take a sprinter and throw him passes and expect him to make plays. Jones seems to be a capable blocker who can catch. That’s opportunity.
Tell me you don’t watch football without telling me you don’t watch football
Football tape is subjective, evey time someone goes against the narrative this sub bleeps on about watching tape.
Like even 5% of this sub watches fucking scout tapes.
Agreed. I picked him up and dropped him after watching some college film. Dropping him was probably a mistake, but I can’t see him taking on the Murray role all by himself.
But what the heck do I know
He flat out, beat out, Murray.
A 31 year old shell of Murray
Better than not beating him out. And there’s nobody else there now.
Murray just came off of a career best season of 4.4 yards per carry and 7.7 yards per catch
Doesn't matter. You should know this. Murray was rumored to be cut DURING the preseason. Whatever version of Murray showed up this year was not last year's.
And clearly wasn’t capable of it anymore. It happens. Don’t you think that if he had anything left in the tank he wouldn’t have been cut entirely?
They asked for him to take a pay cut coming off his career best year. I don’t agree with him, but he’s betting on himself
Now you sell him
TY'SON VS. JONES WHO WE MAX BIDDIN ON!
Trying to flip him for a 2023 second to the Kamara owner.
Same but the Kamara owner wants to also build up on 2023 picks 🤣
Wait for Kamara to blow his knee out
At this point I wish. Tony got sniped/I waited too late to take him and the Tony owner will not accept anything besides a 1st+Gaskin. 😪
No reason not to hold. Murray had a ton of value in that offense.
I mean yeah, there are plenty of reasons to sell now. If he sucks in the backup role he's going to be completely worthless. I sold for a late 2nd and I'm happy I did; hard to see his value going up from here tbh. Even Lat wasn't worth a 2nd in the same role.
If you feel a 2nd rounder gets you something better than a rookie RB backing up Kamara who played so well he basically got the other backup knocked off the team, and you could say his workload will ~200 touches I’d say that RB probably gets drafted earlier than the 2nd round. His floor is useful spot start. His ceiling is top10 rb if something happens to Kamara.
Yeah I’m holding.
I got Kadarius Toney in the 2nd this year. I'm taking that shit over a mediocre backup all day.
People may disagree with this take, but I'm inclined to agree with you here. Plenty of people get burned by low draft pedigree/undrafted players every year and they never learn. If you're competing and think that Jones can be a serviceable flex if Kamara goes down, by all means hold.
But if you are rebuilding and get an offer for a 2nd, you should probably hop on that deal. The odds of Jones becoming the next JRob are much smaller than him becoming the next Darius Slayton or Travis Fulgham, the hit rate of undrafted players is unbelievably slim. It's like stocks at this point, if you hold and Jones looks average/good or Kamara gets hurt, you may have a nice 2nd or even a 1st round pick on your hands. If he runs for 2 YPC and fumbles all day, you'll be kicking yourself for not offloading him sooner
He was already the second string according to Payton weeks ago. Changes nothing in terms of functional value.
It absolutely changes his functional value as Murray is no longer part of the picture. Even though Payton made comments about him being 2nd, Murray was still listed 2nd in the official depth chart and the assumption was still probably that it would be some kind of time share between the two backups.
>. Changes nothing in terms of functional value.
Latavius won't be a threat to take ANY touches anymore so it kinda does
But it probably changes his market value at some level
Of course it does. Murray could’ve been the short yardage player. It’s a one-two punch instead of three.
I’d sell if you get a decent offer. I sold Tyson Williams for McKitty and a 3rd before the hill injury but after picking him up for free. His value might go up some but I don’t see him fully taking the edwards role of last year and when Dobbins comes back Williams is toast. Plus he’s already like 25
Sell high buy low. Not saying Jones won’t carve out a role but at this hype level I’d sell. I recently sold Mac Jones for Russell Wilson because buddy bought into the hype.
Accidentally paid a 23 2nd for him last night as a Kamara owner who won last year. Meant to send a 22 3rd. Haha noticed the misclick when the trade went through. Don’t feel too bad about it though. Had 3 23 2nds.
I was able to get him on waivers today. I’m holding and plan to use him this season unless someone REALLY sends a trade that I can’t decline. As for my asking price I don’t really have one in mind currently.
Anyone else think this team is the perfect fit for Todd Gurley?
Gurley is done for. He just put up two straight “worst career seasons”
LeVeon looked worse than Gurley last season but here we are.
I sold for Zach wilson
If Kamara doesn’t get hurt, he is going to have a year
Had the Kamara owner in my league reach out to me.
My starting point was a 2022 2nd, his starting point was two 4ths, he tried to settle on a 3rd.
I told him that Murray had over 150 touches last year; they're either gonna use ToJo just as much or they're gonna lean on Kamara more, increasing his usage at a time when Michael Thomas will be out, so Kamara would be facing more stacked boxes, so he'd be more likely to get injured.
In which case I'd be asking for value equivalent of a 1st if I were out of contention. A 3rd simply doesn't hold a candle to that.
However, I did give him the caveat that if I started 1-5 and Kamara wasn't injured, I would sell for a 3rd.