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What are some players that you should be giving up on/panicking about but you aren’t? And why?

What are some players that you should be giving up on/panicking about but you aren’t? And why?

PaoloPWD

Miles Sanders. I really like his talent and their schedule has been pretty brutal. After this week they might have some run-positive game scripts and I think he will get back to getting 15 or so carries a week. His one concern this offseason was catching and he has been find in that regard; I don't think he has dropped a pass yet. His snap count was even up last game to 75%, and the only issue is he ran out of bounds twice while burning the clock. If he gets the ball for an easy TD in either of the goal-line situations last week, he would have had a good day.


phillystyleswag

I sold him for Terrace Marshall Jr and a 2022 2nd. I just don’t see him being the guy we thought he was


twhiting11

Just traded Miles Sanders, Courtland Sutton, and Brandon Aiyuk for DJ Moore and Elijah Moore


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newfantasyballer

Oh I hope you’re right on this


EzekielSMELLiott

No lol you don't watch the games


MattFromWork

According to ESPN, Philly has one of the highest run block win rates on offense, and TB has one of the lowest run defense win rates. I hope we see Sanders get 20 touches tomorrow


donalddickenson

Doubt. TB run defense is elite, best in the league. And Philly wins a lot in run blocking because they almost exclusively run out of RPO so Hurts is choosing the situation that is specifically blocked for after the fact


RaindropsInMyMind

I’m not familiar with the Tampa stat but how is this possible? They are allowing 45 rushing yards per game which not only first in the league but is 30 per game less than then the number 2 team: Cleveland at 75 allowed. It’s almost half of the average Tampa was giving up last year at 82 which was still best in the league. They are a brick wall and are practically impossible to run against. Maybe I’m misunderstanding.


RibeyeRare

I’m not familiar with the Tampa stat either, but it’s not necessarily unbelievable. Tampa’s opponents pass the ball 75% of the time no matter where they are in terms of field position. When a team forces another team to pass (usually by running up the score, or scoring at a high rate), their opponents rushing total tends to stay low. The Tampa defense plays against a pass more than 3 out every 4 snaps. Naturally, they will have given up the least amount of rushing yards in the league with a rate like that. Not saying their run d ain’t great, but it certainly hasn’t been put to the test like Detroit has… opponents run upwards of 50% of the time against them (twice the rate of TB) and they’ve seen many more run plays than TB has, or in other words, much more opportunity to give up rushing yards (which are cumulative throughout the season). All this to say, it’s entirely possible to give up the least amount of rush yards while simultaneously being the worst at stopping it. Game flow and play calling play at least a small part in TBs huge run defense numbers. This specific stat could also shine negatively on a d lines run stopping, but could actually be an indicator of the strength of the lbs and secondary that they can make up for that with their own run stopping ability, close to the line (or point of defeat for the TB run block), thus keeping the team ypc allowed total low, while still having the dubious win rate stat pointed out by ESPN.


GravyFantasy

It's a run defense rate stat, so the volume doesn't matter. The stat doesn't make sense to me because it's suggesting Tampa's front 7 can't win their individual matchups.


RibeyeRare

Sanders looked good gashing that front 7 last night on his limited opportunities. A couple big rumbles and a bunch of first downs. Sad that teams don’t run more on TB, those late runs kept Philly in the game, as opposed to when they weren’t running and were down by 21.


GravyFantasy

Yeah he looked good! I'm a Sanders guy, wish he got featured


Medvenger21

Teams don't run on Tampa because the run defense is incredible and their pass defense is much weaker.


PaoloPWD

I am not super sold on his game tomorrow. Have to imagine it will be another negative game script, but that would be encouraging to see. I am starting (as of now) Devontae Booker over him in PPR this week lol.


Medvenger21

I'd be shocked if he gets more than 5 carries and he clearly isn't getting the passing work so yeah not sold on his game either


PaoloPWD

I mean he is getting over 3 catches a game currently(more than gainwell). Vegas has him getting about ~11 points in PPR. O/U of 63.5 total yards, 3.5 catches and then +190 to score a TD.


Arvot

That might be because teams are not rushing on them. They probably have one of the lowest rushing attempts against too. The run d is so good teams are just noping out and passing it instead.


GravyFantasy

Are you sure you don't have it backwards, TB sells out hard to stop the run.


MattFromWork

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings


GravyFantasy

Interesting, thanks for linking that. I think the individual grades make sense but averaging them into a team look maybe broke something, also interesting that there's a 9% difference between the #1 and #32 team.


Medvenger21

Yes very sure he doesn't have it backwards. Who sells out to stop the run? Tampa's front seven is incredible


GravyFantasy

>Who sells out to stop the run? Good point, I should have left that off.


Medvenger21

Hahaha


TheSaucePossum

This is what happens when you take numbers at face value and don't put them in the correct context by watching games. NE, DAL, MIA completely abandoned the run against them (and only one of those games was a blowout), because it was pointless to try to run. The falcons also had low rushing volume and mediocre efficiency and basically did nothing on the ground all game. LAR ran a bunch because they were winning but with very low efficiency. They've allowed 1 RB to have more than 40 rushing yards all season. It took Sony 20 carries to get to only 67 yards. Could Sanders play well? Sure, he's a very good player heavily undervalued by the community. Is this a good matchup tonight? Absolutely not.


Odcrazy

Lack of awareness I’d a big deal if you aren’t a superstar.


Stiddy13

Parris Campbell because I didn’t drop him last week, all my players got hurt, and it’s either him or Deandre Carter from waivers as my flex 😒


Snowlion440

Parris is in his like 5th NFL game ever or something, give him a(nother) chance.


Stiddy13

To be fair, last week was the first Colts game I’ve seen and he looked better than his stat line would suggest. They were feeding him in the first half and it was looking good and then the Colts just, like, quit throwing to him. He was getting separation all night though.


Snowlion440

I’m a Parris truther and Buckeye fan so holding for dear life he gets some good use :)


StonahHill

Robby Anderson - he’s just looked awful to start the season. he was a great flex play last season and now he is a roster spot I wish I had open but I’m not taking a late 3rd for him or dropping him.


taylorachterhoff

Just traded him, a first & a third for Deebo & I'm feeling so relieved to not have him on my squad anymore haha


StonahHill

Love that - he’s the perfect sweetener for a deal to save yourself from adding another 2nd


shaggyjake

I shipped him in a deal with Amari Cooper and Damien Harris for Knox and Godwin


PichaelThompson6969

Traded him for a first while we were doing our rookie draft this year. I just had a feeling I’d already gotten the best out of him, I’d like to act like I’m a genius for that, but unfortunately that pick turned out to be ETN so…


StonahHill

the universe has its way of finding equilibrium lol that was a brilliant move, good work - obviously the more Jrob looks like a true starting back, the more concerned I'd be about ETN's usage, but the move itself was great no matter what. at least you have a young RB to hope for rather than an old WR to scream at


PichaelThompson6969

I’m still not incredibly worried about ETN, the reason I drafted him is because I figured he’d get a lot of wr snaps based on what I was hearing about training camp, so I was thinking he’d be one of the most targeted backs in the league. There’s still a chance for that if he recovers well, but we’ll see.


Whitti

I just traded for Robbie, he just got the new contract and he’s still being schemed and not in the dog house with Rhule. Just had drops to start the season which he hasn’t shown before. I don’t think he’ll get over 1k this year at this point but I think he’s due to regress to his mean and have a strong finish to the season. He’s a buy low rn for me.


StonahHill

I like that - a clear hold for me since selling low on him is real low at this point. He kind of blew up at the coaching staff this past weekend, which could be the fire needed for Rhule to realize he's just not scheming to his talent right. the last darnold INT last was all on Rhule's play calling and not darnold. I'm hopeful he can turn it around, but I also have Terrace Marshall rostered in case Anderson just doesn't have it anymore for whatever reason.


RealDeal_3

To give you some relief on Robby. He’s like 2nd in unrealized sure yards. It’s not hard to imagine him bouncing back.


joedirt87

He just needs to outlast Darnold, which could easily happen if the Panthers have another 5-6 win season.


SheepishNate

If you think this defense can’t beat the Falcons (x2) and Saints again at bare minimum this year I don’t know what to tell you, man. They’re not a 5-6 win team 😅


joedirt87

i look at that schedule and think they got a chance to be a 9 win team, but if Darnold's season goes South I don't see them reaching that. I know they activated his 5th year option but it's not like they traded multiple 1st's to get him. I see them at least drafting a day 2 guy to compete with Darnold if the season ends poorly.


BioMaterial

Doubt that the Panthers beat the Saints again this year. Saints were defensively-gutted when they played the Panthers. With Lattimore and CJGJ back and better pass rush (Davenport; Oneymata), Darnold will be back to his old, ghost-seeing self.


WilllyBear

Aiyuk. Honestly we’ve been spoiled with WR prospects recently, I think it’s still a really good bet in a year or two Aiyuk is exactly who people wanted him to be this year. So like, sure it’s a bummer he’s not one of the immediate championship pieces, but the deck was stacked against him doing it this year in that offense with that QB situation in the first place. He’s still a nasty route running great prospect in a good overall offense with a QB who’s got an insane ceiling. Like, look at what Lamar and his pass catchers just did and tell me that’s not (on the high end)of this 9ers team’s overall outcome? Sure he’s not who we thought and the expectation adjustment tastes like ashes, but he’s still a good dynasty piece who’s worth more than his trade value is right now Unless you’re competing. Then he’s trash and you should panic. I have different problems than you do if that’s the case tho lol


Bulldog5124

Normally I would not have a problem with a player that showed high end talent regressing when the teams pass catchers came back but the complete disappearance is more worrying. I sold him and a 1st for AJB the other day because I just don’t want to risk it with him


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I’m not panicking on either AJB or aiyuk but still think that’s an absolute steal


ZJA24

I agree and I have both, would much rather move Aiyuk and a 1st than AJB.


WilllyBear

Holy hell I’m high on Aiyuk and low on AJB but that’s still a great trade


PandaBunds

So everyone in my league is brand new to dynasty this year but the Aiyuk owner just dropped him today. If all goes well I’ll pick up Aiyuk for the small price of dropping Larry Rountree.


BioMaterial

Taco league


TornadoApe

He did say it's a brand new league. We talk about players developing, let these owners develop too. Eventually it won't be a taco league and they'll be a fine steak dinner league. It takes time to figure things out.


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WilllyBear

They play different positions in the scheme, with different skill sets. I don’t think it’s far fetched to see the two of them coexisting in a developed version of this offense. I actually love Deebo, he’s exciting as hell and I’m not betting against him(well, maybe his health, a bit?) I’m more betting if Lance develops, Aiyuk’s the guy that’ll break ankles and then burn a guy deep to connect with Lance’s arm. He’s already gotten a few redzone targets in THIS bad a year, if he can start getting more involved everywhere those opportunities bodes well. And while Kittle’s gonna get his, TE targets correlate better with RB targets than WR ones so that’s probably not where most of Aiyuk’s target share comes from unless Kittle starts to slow down with the injuries or something in a year or two And I’m not betting he does it this year, that’s important. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does, but I’m not competing this year and have expected Lance growing pains since they drafted him. If I get development from him and/or a couple options next year I’m a dark horse next year, but I’ve got a couple STACKED old teams in my league whose windows’ll be closing unless they do something drastic and a few 2023 1s so really that’s the year I expect to have good chances as kinda the next wave of contenders. At that point Aiyuk will either have earned his starting spot(both fantasy and irl lol) or have been replaced in the two drafts I’d be able to supplement my WR4[Flex2] through before then. So while I’m bullish on the dude, I think expectations and context are probably important too


freename112

Sounds like you're trying harder to convince yourself rather than acknowledging what's happening right in front of you.


WilllyBear

No… it looks like I’ve made an educated bet that not every single relevant player does it right away. Y’all are weird on the anti Aiyuk wagon. My three paragraphs versus your vague sentence.


LamarcusAldrige1234

gibson is currently the ppr RB13. really confused why that is worth panicking over lol


david12dc

Because everyone anointed him as a top 5 dynasty RB based on rumors he would get “CMC-like” usage, where he’s actually living in his proper RB10-15 range


LamarcusAldrige1234

he still has that potential. hes only 23 years old. mckissic is a free agent next season. even if he stays around this range hes gonna be an rb2 for another 4 years.


david12dc

Potential, sure. There’s a lot of guys I’d give that potential too. I think Gibson will probably have a top 5 season within the next two years. I just don’t expect him to sustain it. Most backs dont


Killua_EU

I’d pretty strongly disagree that “a lot of guys” have CMC potential. In fact other than the man himself I’d say Kamara, Swift and Gibson is the whole list.


david12dc

I didn’t articulate that well enough. I was referring to potential for CMC usage, not CMC production. The dude is Special in that way. I can just see a few teams pound their backs into the dirt with near-every play involvement like Carolina has done with CMC. I don’t necessarily think they’ll get the same result.


Medvenger21

Mckissic isn't even doing anything. Look at his touch totals - 2, 9, 5, 12, 3. He only has 3 targets a game


mfancy

I don’t get it either. Dude has been really solid so far this year. Yes, I think we’d all like to see him more on 3rd downs, but he’s still a borderline RB1 through the first 5 games and that’s while nursing an injury. There’s no reason to panic at all here.


LamarcusAldrige1234

the oline has been a mess and hes playing with taylor heincke at qb and hes still putting up numbers


methodofcontrol

Oline has been solid and really good at run blocking.


fantasyking33

It’s because in prime time Mckissic stole a TD and a long passing play. That’s literally it (and the stress fracture in the shin but the panic started before then)


LamarcusAldrige1234

if anyone was actually panicking then they gotta stop playing dynasty


One_Dey

He’s about the same as he was last year. But it’s a double edged sword because we expected to see more and it’s more clear- coupled with his usage last year- that he’s handcuffed and TD dependent. I don’t wanna say he hasn’t progressed- but he hasn’t.


Spicypepper23

Because he's really a high end RB2 and this sub was convinced he was CMC lite.


wsr3ster

Bc mckissic is unexpectedly splitting work when he was supposed to be the bellcow. With how often RBs get hurt, RB13 actually isn’t very good. If healthy, cmc, Saquon, Carson, and Montgomery could have also outperformed him.


mattdonn77

Perhaps CEH? I was a believer last year and this year too but the usage hasn’t been terrific and this injury could end up hurting his chemistry with the offense as a whole. I listened to some of their coaches talking about seeing new defenses they’ve never seen and needing to implement new schemes to combat it. This could spell trouble for Clyde as he’s missing an important part of the season. Obviously dynasty is the long game, but he may forever be a low rb2 if he can’t claim the majority share of that backfield.


rollin20s

Same boat. Worried but holding


Waddlow

He has the majority share of the backfield, though? He's been in a 65-35 split all year. Came off two 100 yard games before getting hurt. I think people somehow expected like RB1 potential from him because of the offense but he's going to be a top 12 back eventually.


mattdonn77

I get what you’re saying. But looking at the snap percentage, he’s actually seen a gradual decline and even before his injury in the last game, he was getting his lowest percentage of snap again. Trust me, I own the guy and watch him every week. I want him to do well but I’m not convinced the consistency will be there to post a top 12 season. Maybe I’m just being too skeptical.


Waddlow

I mean, he got hurt in what, the 2nd quarter? It was early. Hard to really qualify that share of such a few amount of snaps for not even half a game. He was great in the two games prior for them, no reason why they wouldn't continue to ride with him. I honestly expect him back in three weeks and right back into his 65% share.


FairytaleFoosball

I assume he's still sitting through all the meetings and learning new plays, just can't run them yet. And these new defenses seem to be relying on taking away the deep passing game, giving space underneath, and forcing the Chiefs to move slowly down the field. Space underneath feels like a great thing for a RB with underutilized pass-catching.


TheOriginalImpostor

This is just a list of players on my team. Stop it. Not cool. (I'm panicking on Robinson hard-core. Chill with the rest, maybe sell high if they flash.)


ConeConk

If you are panicking on AJ Brown, you shouldn’t play dynasty.


fantasyking33

Everyone in my league seems to be trying to “buy low” on him (to get him from me) which I’m not doing but if the buy low narrative is there I figured it came from some people panic selling lol


askers_tellers

Was just offered Brandin Cooks and a 2nd for AJB. This ain’t a discount store!


ronaldt12

I wish I got even that, I was getting offered Golladay for him 😂


AlongCamePollyIsBae

If you acquired him over the offseason for near #1 WR prices, it's perfectly fair to be panicking.


ibarbells

Facts. I’ve seen people valuing him as a top 3-5 dynasty WR on this sub… He’s incredibly overrated at that price. He fits somewhere in the WR10-12 range. He’s a great WR to have in dynasty, but his only 2 seasons he’s finished so far are as WR21 and WR12. He’s a solid WR2 and that’s where he should be valued.


WilllyBear

I just had a bud get mad at me for saying I don’t think I’d trade Terry for him 1 : 1. Maybe that’s a hot take, idk. I think they’re in the same tier, Terry’s play style is gonna age better, and he’s a back end WR1 with Heinicke while AJB managers get the front row seat to the availability argument about a cornerstone asset. Plus, Terry’s just so fun and easy to cheer for


sanctii

His knees scare me.


Cyates87

He had them scoped which is an extremely minor surgery. SMH


fantasyking33

And then also had issues with them in preseason again. He’s fine for now, it’s the long term that’s worrying


cc844511

Oh have AJB’s knees been an issue for him in games this year? I must’ve missed that news report…


twoemptypockets

Brown had cleanup surgery on both knees in the offseason. Missed 3 games in 2020 with a bone bruise in his knee, but no, there aren't reports of lingering knee issues.


cc844511

Oh yeah I’m aware of the knee injury and minor procedures he had last year. I just think it’s hilarious that he misses some games because of a HAMSTRING issue and now the drumbeat in this subreddit is “AJB’s knees scare me. Idk about his future man.” There’s no evidence whatsoever after those minor procedures that his knees are or will be shot. I guess we have Gurley’s arthritic knees to thank for everyone freaking out over a stud WR like AJB. He’ll be just fine.


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cc844511

Yeah and those people are dumb asses. Or just a bunch of phonies creating false narratives so they can buy low on AJB


sanctii

Do you want to converse like an adult or just see how snarky we can be? Love the talent but yes his knees scare me. Had bilateral knee surgery earlier this year and then had problems right before week 1. [Here is a sports medicine doctor who knows 100x more about it than me. ](https://youtu.be/76kBr1W8QQA). Additionally, hamstrings can be a symptom of a knee injury. I don’t know he just always seems to have a soft tissue issue going on.


cc844511

No you’re right he has dealt with injuries outside of the knee issues last year, which is imo not a big deal. And sorry, but I’m also in sports medicine and I think the “fantasy doctor” is full of shit. Just a crackpot who doesn’t actually know anything about being a sports medicine doctor so he decided to rip off fantasy players by establishing himself as the go to authority on all fantasy injuries. The man doesn’t know shit and as a doctor myself, I hate seeing him deceive so many players just so he can make a platform and some $ for himself.


fantasyking33

I’m very certain that The Fantasy Doctors have proven to me that they know more about sports medicine than some random guy on Reddit self proclaiming himself as a sports medicine doctor without proof lol If you were in sports medicine you would also be worried about his knees. You don’t have to be in sports medicine to know that that’s not something to gloss over


fantasyking33

They should honestly, not sure what the other guy is bitching about. It’s less so a problem now but very well could be down the line. His upside is worth the risk but if I can get any of the other top WRs for him that have similar upside and less risk, I’ll gladly take that (think JJ, DK, Ceedee, DJ Moore, Chase, Terry)


FFThrowaway1273

Hard disagree… this mindset fits into panicking in my view. AJB is still a top 5 WR - him putting up those stats through his first two years in the league, especially when you consider he only played 14 games last year, only strengthens his case. I think perhaps the calls for him being the overall WR1 were a bit hasty and that’s a lot harder to claim now. But he’s still incredibly talented and has the ceiling to be there. The biggest problem with AJB at this point is his injury history. Through two seasons he can’t seem to stay healthy. That’s the only reason I can see someone valuing him in the WR5-WR10 range. Less than WR10 is just a little ridiculous and an overreaction in my view, especially given we’re only 5 games into this season and he’s been dealing with injuries for most of it.


fantasyking33

This seems pretty spot on. Crazy Upside makes the injury history risk worth it which keeps him as a top tier dynasty asset, but the risk is what will likely keep him fronTHE WR1 status


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ibarbells

No way I would ship Amari and a 1st for AJB and a 3rd haha I don’t blame you one bit


evantom34

This.


Klutch04

Sold him for Claypool, a first, and a second. Not panicked, just really big on Claypool.


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Klutch04

I agree with every point you just made. Fingers crossed it’s not Haskins.


hallaa1

My roster is decimated by injuries, I should be panicking all over the place, but fuck it, I've embraced my death. Take me to the promised land oh OBJ.


MrDunkle

Eh, probably should be panicking, but I'm not on Aiyuk. I'll probably hold and go down with the ship at this point. He showed way too much his rookie year to prove he's very talented.


fantasyking33

That makes 2 of us. Cheers


just_checkin_in

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SP1107

Yep. His price has fallen so much that I don’t even want to sell. I’m holding all the way


ThisIsTheWayIsTheWay

Came here to make this same comment.


Ham_PhD

I put him up on the block just now. If I get a decent enough sell low offer I'd probably take it.


BuzzedWoody

Would you take a second?


Ham_PhD

Maybe... I think like a mid 2nd in a SF league might be good enough for me.


DontTradeHarden

I think that would probably be a mistake. This 2022 draft class doesn’t look that great and you’re probably selling at the floor of Aiyuk’s value. Even if he continues to be this bad all season you’d be able to get a mid 2 next offseason. Odds are he shows some signs of life at some point this year and will be worth a 1 again


freename112

2022 draft is beast for WRs imo


Arab_Decorpel_12

Julio. Week 1 whole Titans team played bad Arizona spanked them even Henry played bad. Week 2 goes 6/8 for 128 yards and gets a TD called back. Week 3 he gets hurt at the end of the first half. I fully expect him to get healthy and to start getting into rhythm and posting good games


hapapower510

What would you want for Gibson? I’m considering moving him, as I have swift and CMC.


DSFIGHT42

I gave Zack Moss and a Late 2022 1st for Gibson a couple weeks ago. I feel good about it


hapapower510

I like that for you


Feweddy

That’s robbery


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More than you’d probably give. He looks so good with the ball, the situation is concerning.


Klutch04

I’m on the opposite side, ive been trying to buy him wherever I can. He’s too talented.


WeavingUnicorn

In a SF, I gave Heinicke, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd. My other RBs are Akers, Jacobs, Fournette, Gaskin and Conner. So I needed a top option.


GRAXX3

I moved him and Damien Harris for Mixon and a 22 1st rounder. My goal was always to move him for a pick or more. Seeing as how my roster is currently a day care for 21 rookies. I still have my doubts on that move because I believe in that dude and I kind of hope I regret it cause it means I was right about him.


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I’ll be the first one to say it - sermon. He’s a rookie running back, give him time. He hasn’t lost any talent. I do think initial hype was way too much but I still am confident he will be a serviceable RB and take over the Mostert role


BobbleBobble

The Mostert role lol. Mostert ran a 4.4 40. Sermon ran a 4.6+. Sermon isn't Mostert and never will be Physically Sermon is much more similar to Jeff Wilson


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Yeah once I wrote it I knew that was a terrible comparison but was too lazy to delete and rewrite. By mostert’s role I meant mostert’s carry %


sanctii

Didn’t mostert have the highest top speed in the nfl a year or two ago lol.


fantasyking33

Was waiting for this. Have a chance to swap out Sermon+ and get Sanders. Need an RB2 badly (currently It’s Hines) but FOMO of a sermon breakout is giving me hesitation. What’s the most you would give up on top of sermon to receive Sanders?


rollin20s

Mid/late 2


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Early 2nd


Viking386

Im on the opposite end of this and wanting to trade for Sermon to a contending team as I am not. Is Chris Carson for Sermon an over pay?


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Such an overpay, do not do that


Viking386

What do you think the value for Carson is, I had a 1st for him but then of course the next day the injury popped up and scared the offer away


PumpersLikeToPump

The first was the value for him. I think a single first for Chris Carson is plenty even. And anyone who’s followed him for awhile knows he’s injury prone anyway but now with the neck injury discussed more openly it’s gonna be hard to sell him for just a pick I think.


Viking386

Yeah I think I just wait, was able to sell Sanders for a late 1st and a 2nd to a contender so if Carson can come back and have a decent game I’m sure I’ll get a first out of him


skisbosco

what have you seen from sermon that shows he has talent? honest question. i watched a few 49ers games an he looked fairly blah in all.


GravyFantasy

I think people who don't watch the 9ers see the Mostert and Mitchell home runs and assume that's how the 9ers run the ball, but there's a lot of rough physical pinball running before those home run shots. I bought Sermon hoping for a large snap% which he hasn't gotten yet, but we also haven't been able to run inside all year. If you've ever watched Alfred Morris on any team he played on that dude made contact with 4 guys a run it felt like and fell forward for 6 yards, I think Sermon will fit that role better than a homerun guy. I think we haven't been running inside because RB injuries has forced Kyle Juzcyczk into an H role (idk what the nfl calls it, that's a cfl term. he's like a FB/RB/TE hybrid instead of a lead blocker/edge blocker). Also our C and RG have been underperforming, hopefully they figure it out because they've both been good in the past (maybe more juzcyczk out of position issues and can't help? Not sure) A good example of what I expect from Sermon was his Seattle game, I think all of his runs were between the tackles or off tackle and he squirmed and pinballed for 19attempts and 89yds.


skisbosco

that's one possible outcome. my main problem with its likelihood is that to thrive in that type of role, sermon would need to get a significant number of touches. nothing i've seen from him or the 49ers suggest that would ever happen barring injuries to the 2 or 3 guys ahead of him.


GravyFantasy

The fantasy community might have gotten carried away with his situation. I think he'll end up a fantasy bust but an NFL talent, like a TD dependent RB3 who you hope you start when he scores his touchdown to get to double digits because he's covering a flex spot. But he'll be a guy who can grind out the end of a game for the 9ers. Just like 20 other RBs in the league.


matt_boyyy

Under the radar, but Callaway, Looked more promising week by week, and the preseason wasn’t a total fluke, i still feel like he can develop, who knows what MT is to New Oreleans now


FairytaleFoosball

I'm holding onto Callaway too. Obviously, I'm assuming MT comes in and takes over the WR1 position, barring some catastrophic blow up with the team. The more concerning thing for me is that I have absolutely no clue where Tre'Quan Smith slots back into this offense and what that does to Callaway.


PaulBlartFleshMall

Miles Sanders. He's easily the best skill position player on our team, but the play calling is so fucking stupid. I'm still holding. He's a beast.


Mattuchi

Just traded sanders Jacobs and a 2022 first for swift, terrace Marshall and a 2023 second. Couldn’t wait for sanders anymore.


wsr3ster

I usually skip the panic stage, Spend way too long in denial, and jump straight from denial to acceptance


M4C4K4NJ4

Yeah I mean Robinson has proven over the past few years he’s a low end WR1 high end WR2. He has the talent and ability. It’s not like anything is wrong with him this year. It’s just been the offense in general. Rookie QB/Dalton + terrible O-line + Nagy is poo is just not a recipe for fantasy success. I own Robinson and no way am I selling. Holding until the Bears look better (might not be until next year) or until he signs with another team with a competent offense.


Bridgemaster11

> holding until the bears look better Skeletonatkeyboard.jpg


M4C4K4NJ4

Lol


DecentBike

Carson Wentz. I think the Rocky preseason and ankle injury really effected his playing. Thinking he’s a solid QB2 rest of the way


slabbedham

I'm an owner and have caught a surprising number of Colts games. He actually looks really good and is getting some young pass catchers healthy and integrated. That Rams game he was absolutely dealing dimes and looked good on the move before the double ankle sprain at the hands of Aaron Donald. That plus the Pittman chemistry makes me confident that you can get high teens each week with a few booms into the 20s


GravyFantasy

I missed the Rams game, but I feel like Wentz has given them a shot to win in the others that I've seen. He's gotten killed a couple times and had some WTF moments but I think he's playing well in general.


Stiffanys_epiphanies

I've been worrying about Wentz since I drafted him in my startup a few years ago... problem is, too "good" to drop to waivers, too injured/bad to get any value for him


DecentBike

I don’t think MVP caliber season Wentz ever returns but I think he’s a guy who will grind out 18 points for you on a Sunday. Not flashy, but could be a lot worse.


Stiffanys_epiphanies

I hear ya, but I'm in a 1 QB league, and the fact that Hurts and Z Wilson are my only other options (I go with Hurts) makes me less than confident in my QB situation


fantasyking33

If there is any Sermon truthers out there I’d love to hear them… debating finally trading him away but FOMO of a later breakout is getting to me


football_opinion

Sermon is extremely athletic for his size and position (relative athletic score in mid 9’s). He’s a rookie athletic RB. Has value upside for sure.


HandsomeJaxx

I have Sermon. Not a truther but not panicking. His MO is more of that read option stuff that Trey Lance might get some work in later this year and next year. I’m not super high on him but I think he’s worth a roster spot as a lotto ticket in the case he becomes steady. I don’t think he will ever be a world beater but could become a solid flex option in time


KennyMoose32

He’s a bust, it made sense in the off season why he would be the guy but he isn’t unless literally every other rb is hurt. It’s a sunk cost fallacy, move on before he’s worthless


uggsandstarbux

Ah yes. Calling a rookie a bust before week 6. The highest honor move a football fan can make. Look, I'm not saying Sermon will be a stud. I don't even think he'll be a reliable RB2. Owners should be wary about him, but it's way too early to call him a bust.


Feweddy

If you don’t believe a late first/early second pick is gonna be a reliable RB2, you believe he’s going to be a bust.


BioMaterial

"I don't think that Trey Sermon will ever be worth the value you have to pay to get him. But it's too early to call him a bust." That's the definition of a bust, bro.


VivaLaGritwald

The thing is, what are people willing to pay right now? I’d take a 2 for him and maybe a guaranteed early 3 but his upside is more than I’ll get from a mid to late 3. He’s a hold for now.


rollin20s

Oh man, not a truther but did buy for an early 2nd after week 2 when Mitchell got hurt. Definitely have buyers remorse but it’s a best ball league and I have Eli/sermon/hasty. Just hoping Wilson doesn’t come back as the lead dog


Thromkai

I was high on Trey Sermon entering the season. I was salivating when he got the opportunity. Then I saw the offense. Then I saw Trey. No part of this offense, other than Deebo, is worth anything in 2021. Maybe Elijah Mitchell will return you some value, but I see this as a lost year for the 49ers, specially with the QB woes. I got rid of my only share of Trey Sermon right after his 2nd game to someone who was starving for a RB. And of course, Elijah comes back and slides right in. I'm off it. I hate having to depend on the eventual RB injury for anyone in that backfield only for them to inevitably get injured too.


Snoregasm2

There's some good answers in this thread (Sanders is a great shout), but the circlejerk of desperate reassurance around Aiyuk is strong in this thread. You 100% SHOULD be panicking about Aiyuk. I'd add Dallas Goedert to this list. We all knew he would be impacted by Hurts' legs and Ertz, but he's still been a TE2 and once Ertz finally leaves he has a sky high ceiling.


B-Rye-C

J Chase…. Oh wait. Thought this was 2 months ago


KennyMoose32

I think sermon is a bust I think I was wrong and he will not be relevant. You should panic and get 25 cents on the dollar You should be panicking, don’t get complacent and get sunk cost fallacied


NickVlass76

Honestly though what would anyone even be paying at this point? Lol may as well hold if you won’t get shit


KennyMoose32

Well def not straight up but he could be used as a secondary piece in a trade. That I could def see happening before his value gets to keshawn Vaughn levels. Which isn’t good. And yes, as seen last year with Vaughn, values can go lower lol


stonkflipper

Should be giving up on Le’veon Bell but I can’t drop him.


ajwitten5561

Le'veon Bell will be out of the league at the end of the season. Just my guess. He can't get reps behind Latavius Murray. KC didn't see any need to give him the ball. The Jets suck, but he didn't do anything there, either. It's been a long time since that guy was 1.01. He's basically Davonte Freeman at this point. I'd rather throw a dart on a young backup.


stonkflipper

Drop him and pick up Jarrett Patterson?


ajwitten5561

He just got his first carries in a year this week, so you may as well hold for 2-3 weeks to see if he gets more of a role this season. Next year Dobbins and Gus are both back, so BAL will cut him. Patterson looks like he could be good, in my opinion.


spicyclams

I’m panicking on Corey Davis because Wilson looks like the next trubisky.


Dpepps

Just curious, but what did you expect from Wilson year one? It was always going to be brutal with hopefully rays of promise here and there. The Jets are bare minimum 1 if they draft perfectly and more likely probably 2-3 years away from being any kind of competent looking team. Personally I was never sold on Wilson, thought #2 shoulda been Fields, but even so, Wilson needs time and help to develop. He was never gonna be a star right away.


BullGangLeader

The Darrell Henderson owner was a bit panicked that he couldn’t get a 1st for him in our Superflex league today so I gladly traded the likely 2.01, 3.01 and a 2022 3rd for him as a rebuilding team.


ct1m

Do I dare say Irv Smith? I get that he's out on IR but it seems people have been so high on him without the production over the last couple years before this injury


VelcroSnake

Denzel Mims. I drafted him because I thought he could be good, and when he is playing he hasn't given me a reason to doubt that. As of now, it seems more like weird coaching and team decisions instead of an actual issue with the player (which includes reports of multiple teams asking to trade for him and the Jets turning them down just so they can not use him much). I don't give up on players quickly that I liked when I drafted them, so I'm not going to give up on Mims in only his 2nd year.


jcb10f

ROJO. I should be as he’s taken the backseat but I feel like he will be a decent RB3/4 next year. I don’t need him to be an all star but an occasional flex play is well within reason.