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Day After Observations, Hot Takes, and Full-Blown Panic

Day After Observations, Hot Takes, and Full-Blown Panic

KyloPen

U of Michigan fan here. Great day for our alumni! -DPJ with 2 scores. I don’t think he will ever be a true WR1, but some opportunities may open up for him as some Browns players move on. -Chris Evans with a real nice catch for his first career score. I was at the game and he looked solid. He deserves some more opportunities. -Nico Collins was even 2nd in targets for his team. A guy to keep an eye on. I think his size makes him a potential red zone threat.


bbush24

Not to rain on your parade, but "some opportunities may open up," "looked solid," and "2nd in targets" being a great day is kinda sad lol.


KyloPen

For guys with pretty low draft capital who are rookies (or year 2 for DPJ) those kinds of things are really encouraging IMO.


bbush24

Agreed, but there hasn’t been an offensive player in the Harbaugh era with high draft capital. That was my point.


KyloPen

True. On the other side of the ball Devin Bush recovered the game winning fumble for Pitt last night—so we got that goin for us, which is nice.


BuzzedWoody

> so we got that goin for us, which is nice. I said 'Hey, Lama..."


LamarcusAldrige1234

1. My team is in fucking shambles. I have 5 starters now on IR and my rb1 is currently cordarelle patterson. even tho im 4-2 this season has been atrocious 2. I know Hopkins is still insanely talented, but he is just not seeing the targets to maintain a WR1 status this year. 3. Darrell Williams is more involved than CEH ever has been. Ginormous red flag. 4. Josh Jacobs was way more involved today and this coaching change might be very helpful for his stock. 5. If Tua is still the QB for next year, and I think he will be based off of today’s play, then it is time to start treating Jaylen Waddle as a high end asset. 6. Javonte Williams will be an RB1 when he has his own backfield. It is a little frustrating that that time is not here yet, but it is coming. 7. Najee Harris is getting CMC treatment and I would be shocked if he was not the #1 pick in startup drafts next year. 8. Henry Ruggs is really freaking good, and if he got a few more targets per game could probably be a top 15 receiver.


buttcabbge

re: CEH, I think at least some of it was KC finally realizing after the Buffalo debacle that they were going to have to at least threaten the run and underneath stuff a little more if teams are just going to sit deep in shells and not blitz anybody ever. I suspect a healthy CEH would have gotten more usage in this game than he had in previous games. But the fact that Darrell Williams did not seem to be much if any of a step down is certainly a red flag.


SonOfAdam32

2.95 YPC is a step down lol CEH will be fine and involved when he’s back and healthy


donalddickenson

Williams was a huge step down. Did you watch the game or just check the fantasy score?


Gamingnerd10

Responding to #6 here. The wait for him to become the guy is killing me haha, I want to see Javonte unleashed! I get Gordon’s cap hit and it’s a nice 1-2, but man I’m antsy.


LamarcusAldrige1234

dude....i have CEH and CMC on IR and Gibson is likely heading there as well. Like I am a Cordarelle injury away from having no choice but to throw him in there lmao


Gamingnerd10

Oh god you just reminded me of Gibson lol. I’m quickly realizing how thin I am at the position


LamarcusAldrige1234

yeah hes been playing with a shin injury (i think he has a fracture in there that he has been playing thru) and thats been the main reason he has been so limited so far this season.


Gamingnerd10

Right right, it would make sense to shut him down to prevent it from getting worse. Damn shame, I just acquired him too.


bronton21

Short week this week usually good for the young guy


BlueMerleShelties

I have Barkley, Akers, and Kittle in a 16 team superflex. I was planning on using Miles Sanders as my flex, but he's now my rb1. Ty Johnson (lol) is my rb2. He's on bye this week and so is Wayne Gallman, so I was forced to start Larry Roundtree, who was a healthy scratch. I was forced to start Ross Dwelley as my TE last week and he stunk up the joint. He's on bye this week and I cut him and started Parham, who is the backup TE on his own team. My WRs are all hot garbage too. Keenan Allen, Robbie Anderson, Terrence Marshall are my top 3 WRs. None of my potential breakout WRs (Marshall, Nico Collins, Bryan Edwards, Dyami Brown, Josh Palmer, Anthony Schwartz, James Washington, Tre'quan Smith, Tyler Johnson) or TEs (Parham, Trautman, Albert O, Colby Parkinson) have broken out. I was so desperate for WRs I even claimed John Brown and Kenny Stills and traded for Josh Gordon. It's a miracle I'm even 2-4.


apowerseething

Yeah I'm glad I didn't try to trade for Hopkins. Would have cost a lot.


Maxx0utt

Ruggs averaging 22 ypc and is crazy at catching deep passes. Don’t know why they don’t target him more.


NorskDakota

>Been asking myself that since his first game. They drafted the guy first among all those loaded WRs in 2020 and he was the teams WR3/4 for most of his rookie year. If anything just throw him out there and a deep threat decoy. Hoping the coaching change means more targets for Ruggs and less random routes for FBs and TEs


surfingwithgators

Fantasy is so tough, man. If you told me that the addition of AJ Green (and now possibly Zach Ertz) would be the reason why Nuk finishes outside the top 12 WRs I would have laughed right in your face.


MidnightWizard11

Replying to #4 on Josh Jacobs. He had 16 carries and 1 target Previous 2 weeks were 15 carries 5 targets and 13 carries 5 targets If anything his usage went down. And I say this as a guy who has him on a competing team


ConferenceLoud7035

To the people that think Najee isn't talented. Yes, he is. Is he the best back in the NFL? No, but I'm out here trying to score fantasy points. He's a good back, behind a bad line, getting damn near CMC type usage. I'm actually glad his bye is next week. He looked tired yesterday. Alot of other games he was pushing piles more and making more dudes miss.


omnicious

Can anyone explain to me how Davis Mills can get Cooks some points but Fields can't do shit for ARob?


Equipment_Salt

Handful of reasons actually. 1. Texans are worse than the bears, so Mills is going to be throwing a lot more 2. Hot take: Mills is a better thrower of the ball than fields at this point


StocksOrStonks

Fields looks like garbage…


RealChipKelly

Nagy sucks as a coach but Fields also probably isn’t ready to start. If the Bears want to actually win this season, honestly Dalton probably gives them the best chance but I don’t blame the Bears for wanting to give Fields game action obviously


GravyFantasy

Diontae Johnson caught a lot of shit for dropped balls last year and not a lot of people are talking about him as the WR18 in 0.5ppr playing 1 less game.


SquidwardTestic1es

WR10 in PPG in PPR formats. WR1 ros barring injury


Scarletcuddlefish

Khalil Herbert will easily have the backup job by the end of the year and replace Montgomery after next season when he signs somewhere else for more money than the bears wanna part with. Mooney will be the wr1 and Herbert rb1 come 2023


MidnightWizard11

I just can't imagine a world where they don't draft or sign a better receiver in the next 2 years. Mooney is great but he's 5'11" and 175. The team shouldn't operate with him as their alpha


Swoody11

Agreed. Mooney is not and likely will never be a true WR1. The bears pretty much have to draft a WR in the 2nd-3rd and/or pay up for a guy like Gallup/Godwin/Juju/Sutton in free agency.


WiSeIVIaN

Herbert looks good, but Dmont is on another level. A lot can happen in the next 18 months, but the Bears have a lot of cap room coming free and I find it hard to imagine they let dmont walk. Even if they did, a 6th Rd pick (2 games in) is a longshot to secure the starting job in 2 years.


MasHamburguesa

I agree. I liked Herbert coming out but holding him for 2 years as the Montgomery backup when that team is probably looking at a new HC and offense in the next 2 years scared me off.


CulturalBreakMC

Montgomery won’t leave the team IMO


ZZZSHLEEPY

If AJ Brown doesn’t have a good game tonight I will freak the fuck out


Equipment_Salt

He’s hurt, he’s sick, Julio’s back to steal some targets, and he has to go against the best secondary in the NFL. Hope you won’t freak out too bad


ZZZSHLEEPY

You’re gonna hear about me on the news


Thromkai

All I read is I could buy low from you. Just saying - this could very well be the sentiment from a lot of people.


kkrawz

Would you swap him for a Saquan if you’re RB room is Akers, ETN, and AJ Dillion? Currently 9th out of 12 so hopefully drafting a RB too. Heavy at WR.


ZZZSHLEEPY

Yea I would do that


coast22coast

Antonio Brown is the WR1 in Tampa


johnysoccer123

With Juju out Najee and Deontae are going to feast this season. I think the Steelers will be in a ton of close games this year or behind considering the tough division. Since this will make them throw it, Johnson and Najee will have extremely high volume


Ortman55

Freiermuth is going to get a nice volume bump too


squirrelwatch

Ryan Fitzpatrick is eligible to come off IR this week, think he takes the starting job back from Heinicke?


Equipment_Salt

I didn’t think so, but after yesterday’s game I think he will. Can’t be that bad against the chiefs D


SMurdaa

I think he at least gets a look. Heinicke had a couple nice weeks but isn't winning them any games.


Jon_Snows_Dad

1. Taylor is a beast and the offense should run through him more than it does. But right now he's reliant on big plays as they seem to shy away from riding him. 2. Chase could be WR1 by the end of the year competing with his college teammate JJ. 3. Lamar and Kyler look unstoppable and the new age of NFL is players like them more than any other qb type 4. Mac Jones will be good and just be better than you expect, not great at fantasy because he will do what he needs to win...not much more. 5. It's funny that there has been so much talk about the league figuring Lamar out but the 2 high defense seems to have figured Mahomes out who doesn't want to consistently make the safe play to win games.


GravyFantasy

>Mac Jones will be good and just be better than you expect, not great at fantasy because he will do what he needs to win...not much more. So <2021 Derek Carr? 16-20pts every week.


Scarletcuddlefish

Prob the same or slightly less. Which is fine for SF


MasHamburguesa

I think thats pretty valuable. He's on his rookie deal so you can feel safe hes a starter for the next 4 years minimum. And he looks like a QB in the 10-20 range every week over that stretch, without projecting much growth at all. I really love that floor for a QB2.


WiSeIVIaN

While Lamar and Kyler might be the new age, those guys are still crazy rare. At best 1 comes out a year, and 50% are still gonna bust, so hard to imagine more than 5-7 or so difference making dual threat qbs in the nfl at any one time. These now are the kids that watched vick growing up, so that is why there's more than one guy in the nfl.


BlueMerleShelties

Chase is already WR1 in my book. I frankly never had Justin Jefferson as my WR1 at any point. His ceiling was always more Anquan Boldin than Randy Moss.


TheHeintzel

Jefferson's rookie year was as good as Anquan Boldin's best year. This is an awful take lmao


Tp1990

And there’s a high possibility Jefferson just had his best statistical season too


TheHeintzel

And a much greater possibility that he didn't.


Tp1990

Production doesn’t follow a bell curve. Just because he had a phenomenal rookie season doesn’t mean we should expect a peak of 1800 yds and 12 TDs in 3 years. It’s actually more unlikely than likely. He’s very very good and I expect a lot more years right in the range of last year.


BlueMerleShelties

No it's not. Boldin put up 1402 yards and 7 TD in his best year despite missing 2 games. Jefferson put up 1400 yards and 7 TD and played in all 16 games. Maybe try not to lie? Also, Boldin's 2nd best year was actually his rookie year and he put up 1377 yards and 8 TD. Only 25 yards less than Jefferson despite being in a significantly less pass-friendly era and having dogshit QBs (Josh McCown and Jeff Blake). Oh, and he scored 1 more TD. Boldin hands down had a better rookie year than Jefferson if you factor in era. Do some basic research before you spew ignorance


TheHeintzel

Boldin got about 40 more targets lmao. Because any time Jefferson gets the ball he does more with it, because he's better. But thanks for confirming you have 0 idea what you're talking about. Buhbye now


BlueMerleShelties

Yeah and I bet you think DeAndre Hopkins has been a fraud his entire career because he's not "efficient" enough with his insane target volume lol, especially when dogshit QBs like Osweiler, Brian Hoyer, Tom Savage were throwing him uncatchable balls. Boldin's QBs his rookie year were Josh McCown and Jeff Blake. Jefferson got Cousins. You don't know shit about football and you already got caught lying. Off you go. Shoo.


cglow92

3-3 after an 0-3 start! Shoutout to Jonathan Taylor and my Burrow-Chase stack!


runningdreams

It feels like there are quite a few more injuries through six weeks than would be average


BlueMerleShelties

Mainly just the RBs. Saquon, CMC, Akers, Dobbins, CEH, Kareem Hunt, Chubb, Montgomery, Carson, Mostert all out. Dalvin and Jacobs already missed multiple games. Mixon and Gibson dinged up. Zeke, Aaron Jones, Melvin Gordon, Swift demoted into RBBC. RoJo demoted to backup.


ZeroEverything

It's the nature of the position. One of my leagues just started this year, so I went heavy on picking up backups and it's worked out great so far. Hubbard, Collins, Dillon, Damien Williams, Mattison, Evans (taxi). You figure there's a good chance at least one of those guys' starters is out in any given week, so you mix and match.


MidnightWizard11

As much as I'd like to, we can't blame Rojo performances on injury haha Also to the injury RB list we also have Gus Edwards, Etienne, and maybe Cohen (meh)


MookieCrisp

Gaskin needs to request a trade or join XFL.


kmigs1987

lack of usage is baffling.


elizarzecki

The sooner you recognize and accept that the Dolphins are gonna Dolphin, the sooner you will find happiness


MasHamburguesa

He fumbled once (and recovered it himself) and they benched him for the next full quarter and some of the following quarter. Its very stupid and actively hurting the team, but these old school type coaches love to do this kind of shit.


bordeaux590

Terry McLaurin and Allen Robinson just can’t have success with their QBs regardless of their talent


CWB2208

Terry has already put up big numbers with Heinicke


LORD_RM

McLaurin picked up a hamstring injury over the week and it looked to me like he was hampered by it to a degree on Sunday.


BlueMerleShelties

McLaurin has proven he's QB-proof. One bad week doesn't negate that.


hapapower510

Well he’s a bit boom/bust. He has 2 down weeks, 2 okay weeks and two great weeks. At least he doesn’t completely disappear a la Lockett


miked5122

The sad truth. I want to sell ARob but I won't get much in return. He's tied to Fields for the foreseeable future.


BlueMerleShelties

No, he's not. He's playing on franchise tag this year. I fully expect him to leave next year.


miked5122

My memory seemed to have failed me. Thought they worked a deal last minute. That great news actually and a huge relief


StocksOrStonks

No dude. He’s gone next year 100%. Only reason why I’m holding him. The bears are garabagr


StonahHill

I am about to be 3-3. Targeting Patterson as my only hope to stay competitive and make a playoff push with Akers/Hunt out. Good news, my opponent next week has all 3 QBs on bye in a 2 QB league


stepdadonline

That's a win/win haha I'd be stoked if my qb bye weeks aligned like that


oraclestats

I'm worried about Waller. The end of 2020 May have been a mirage, like Higbees comparable 2019 stretch.


SquidwardTestic1es

Raider fan here. Even though you look at his stats from the game and think “well that’s not good” you have look at the bigger picture and see that he actually tied the team for most targets and had the most receptions. He’s fine, don’t worry about him


BlueMerleShelties

Waller already has two 1100+ yards season on his resume and on pace for another 1K yard season. Higbee is a bad comp. Even when Higbee was at his best, his ceiling was a Jared Cook-type career arc.


LamarcusAldrige1234

i disagree. its not like hes not talented anymore, hes just not getting force fed crazy usage. i agree that last season is probably his peak but he is still gonna be a top 4 tight end at worst for another 3-5 years (remember that tight ends age really well)


Thromkai

Depending on league scoring - Schultz and Knox were at around Waller's production for 2021 through 5 weeks.


2005hondapilot

Najee is the most overrated player in dynasty right now. His usage is high but I still don’t see the talent. Give my CMC, Javonte, Taylor, and Swift over him.


KAC09

This sub will literally explode if Javonte doesn’t turn into the RB1 everyone expects him to be. I don’t think i’ve seen such high value on a guy who is not producing yet.


StocksOrStonks

I hope he doesn’t just for this lol. Downvotes Incoming.


2005hondapilot

Hahaha ikr. I’d argue he is producing very well. The metrics back that up. Is just splitting carries in a limited offense.


KAC09

There is no guarantee that offence gets any better though. I own both and think Javonte has looked better but by no means do I think Najee is some scrub. You can’t create yards after contact when you get hit by 2 guys behind the LOS. We’re all hoping Javonte ends up with the role Najee has. The best indicator of future success is past success so i’ll take the guy producing as an RB1 today. To take Javonte over Najee straight up is crazy to me. Maybe when we compare each players price I would understand the debate but even then the going rate for Javonte is RB1 price anyways.


fshn4btchs

This. A very rational and nuanced take.


fshn4btchs

But the broncos systems is a multiple back system. He’s never going to get the volume that Najee is already getting without a complete change in team philosophy, and betting on that happening is incredibly optimistic and maybe even naive


KingDingSchlong

So much copeium here lol. 1. Tomlin isn’t going anywhere and has said he prefers to use a bell cow 2. Najee’s volume will probably continue to be high 3. Ben has been bad, oline has been bad. Do we really think Najee will be that impacted if those change? I’ve never understood this aspect with Javonte. We all are hoping he takes over the backfield when MG3 (probably) departs. If we’re being honest tho, we have no idea if it’s going to continue to be a RBBC. What is to stop Denver from bringing another guy in. We hope, but we have no idea. Who knows if fangio survives, and who knows what the new coach will want to do, what system he will run, etc. “Hurr Durr Talent Over Situation!!!” No. Situation and stability matter. Volume is king for fantasy purposes. We have a pretty good idea Najee is going to get elite volume for the foreseeable future. We have 0 idea with javonte.


fshn4btchs

Thank you for typing this out. Agree completely with everything you said. Soooo many optimistic assumptions being made about javonte. Rating him over Najee is ridiculous I think a lot of people just convinced Themselves that Najee was going to bust because of the Steelers O line and now they are anchored to their take and grasping for reasons to write him off


samolamim

I think another massive plus with Najee is that his pass catching gives him a very stable floor. If you took him 1.01 (1QB) and are in a rebuild, I get trying to sell for Javonte plus given age. In any other scenario, as much as I like Javonte, I’m sticking with Najee. Najee is a pretty locked in bell-cow forecast for me for at least his rookie deal.


turnnoblindeye

Yeah here’s the problem with this logic. For all you know, the Steelers draft a RB in the 2nd and like him more than Najee. Or sign someone in FA. The reality is that of course talent matters, and if he isn’t cutting it the Steelers know that as well.


fshn4btchs

RBs with first round draft capital historically have large staying power. They’re not going to draft or sign someone after sinking a first rounder into Najee unless he’s hurt or really bad. So far, he’s producing (on below average efficiency because of a bad o line and having to run solely out of shotgun because ben is old, but still). Pretty bad and unrealistic scenario.


turnnoblindeye

I think you have to first define what “really bad” means. Najee Harris is averaging 3.8 yards per carry, which is in fact really bad. You say he’s “producing” but what you really mean is “they keep giving him inefficient touches”. Not sure how that in any way translates to him being good. His yards after contact is bad, his broken tackle rate is mediocre. But that’s besides the point. Teams draft best player available or make opportunistic signings all the time. Thinking the job is his for at least 3 years just because of his draft capital is a bad longterm strategy.


Revolutionary_Jump_9

Not disagreeing, but why Javonte over him najee


2005hondapilot

Javonte is clearly more talented imo. Just shares a backfield currently.


Revolutionary_Jump_9

Yea I think that’s true, I just like najees usage, it seems like his floor is 15+ points a game and his ceiling upper twenties which is hard to beat. Also Pittsburgh’s history of using a single back


2005hondapilot

Agree with you there but hard to say what that offense will look like post Big Ben and I’d prefer the more talented back in the long run. Javonte also two years younger.


Revolutionary_Jump_9

Yea good point, I didn’t really take age into account. I own both so I’m pretty happy rn


2005hondapilot

That’s a W


samolamim

Jw what makes this clear for you?


2005hondapilot

YPC, hards after contact and eye test for me


samolamim

Fair enough - I think Javonte looks great too and loved him at UNC. I just don’t think he looks like he’ll be a top-5 RB (yet anyways), as I have seen nothing to suggest he’ll be a consistent pass catcher. I think both guys are going to be solid but for me, I’m leaning Najee. He’s already getting the volume, performing behind a bottom-5 OL when he’s keyed every play and has some of the best hands for an RB in the league.


hankfraley

Still don’t see the talent? I see the points he racks up every week Tho. Maybe focus on that?


2005hondapilot

That’s a great redraft mindset.


hankfraley

It’s ok, I can tell you’re one of those guys who fades Najee because he’s (gasp) 23 years old going on 24. You can keep playing the value olympics and trading horses instead of trying to win leagues. Have at it


2005hondapilot

Talent is the main reason behind this take. If I was competing this year or next, I’d take Najee. Over the course of their whole careers? That’s where I favor the more talented player and that player is Javonte in this case imo.


meizinsane

Najee gives me Fournette vibes. He's being absolutely force fed volume (like Fournette was in JAX) and not really impressing with it. He's gonna be a top 5 RB in fantasy this year but what happens when Ben isn't there anymore? He's living off Ben being garbage and giving him an ass load of targets every game. His volume is completely absurd. It's unsustainable and he's not talented enough for me to bet on him long term. I would be selling Najee right now and cashing for one of the guys you mentioned. They are all better players by a long shot.


2005hondapilot

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Good player, but nothing special who finds himself in an elite fantasy role year 1.


fshn4btchs

Javonte stans are literally delusional Lmaoo the dude has done literally nothing and you’re taking him over the RB3?? You should be banned from the sub for this take, it’s that bad


2005hondapilot

Hahaha I’m not stoked that it’s Monday either my friend. This is a dynasty sub incase you’re forgetting.


fshn4btchs

So the rookie who will probably never be a bell cow and has Done nothing should be ranked over the rookie who is top 5 at the position and locked into a bell cow role for the foreseeable future? This is probably why you suck at dynasty my friend


2005hondapilot

“Probably never be a bell cow” … It’s six weeks into his career. But sure, how can you deny Najee’s crippling 3.8 YPC 🥵 Lord give me the skillset to be as smart and talented as fshn4btchs 😩


fshn4btchs

The 5 game stretch that Najee is on in terms of volume and fantasy points is best case scenario for any stretch in javontes career. Taking him over Najee is straight up delusional, simple as that


BlueMerleShelties

Agree on Taylor and Javonte, but Swift is in a shitshow offense and stuck in a committee with Jamaal Williams. CMC is just as brittle as Barkley and a year older. He's not built to last.


adoxographyadlibitum

Swift has the best raw talent of any RB prospect since Saquon. I wouldn't write him off because of his situation just yet.


BlueMerleShelties

He needs to go to a team with a creative playcaller and get used like Sean Payton uses Kamara. Dan Campbell/Anthony Lynn ain't it.


2005hondapilot

Swift is 22. Jamaal is 26. Elite fantasy players can exist on bad team. Also, CMC is 25 and being injury prone is a myth. He’s been one of the most utilized player in football the last four years. Now that he’s had a couple injuries, he’s brittle?


BlueMerleShelties

McCaffrey has played even less games than Barkley the last 2 seasons lol, so why is everyone writing off Barkley but not him? Barkley is a year younger and has the ideal build for a bellcow. CMC has always been undersized and a lot of people compared him to CJ Spiller when he was drafted. As for Swift, they could've handed him the key this season but chose to sign Jamaal Williams in free agency. Williams' age isn't the issue here. It's the fact that they refuse to make him a bellcow. The only non-bellcow RB to ever become elite is Kamara because he was also essentially the Saints' WR2 during Brees' last years. You need a creative schemer to squeeze the kind of receiving production out of RB.


2005hondapilot

What is your argument about CMC? To be clear, I am not writing off Barkley. As for the lions situation, I think coach / situation is one of the most overweighted factors that people rely on for Dynasty.


BlueMerleShelties

My argument about CMC is that it's not a crazy idea to prefer Najee over him. He has played only 6 games since the beginning of last season. Even Barkley has played 7. He's also built like a scatback, so I frankly never expected him to age well. I probably would still take CMC over Najee in a vacuum, but I don't think it's crazy. I think the coach/situation is one of the most underrated factors actually, especially when it comes to skill position players. If Jeff Fisher didn't get fired, Gurley's career likely would've gone down the toilet just like Tre Mason before him. If Marshawn Lynch didn't get out of Buffalo and landed in the perfect situation in Seattle, he likely would've been written off as a bust. There are plenty of other examples. It's also why change of scenery is always risky.


2005hondapilot

I don’t think it’s crazy either. I personally just would prefer CMC because he’s only two years older and he’s the rb1 when healthy. I see what you’re saying and I agree with a lot of it. In the context of drafting or evaluating rookies, overweighting situation has bitten me in the ass more often than not over the course of a player’s career. Elite rb’s find situations where they can be a rb1 eventually.


BlueMerleShelties

> Elite rb’s find situations where they can be a rb1 eventually. I disagree mainly because RB prime is so short and guys who get pigeonholed into RBBC early almost never become bellcows. The last backup RB who didn't emerge as a bellcow until his 2nd contract was Michael Turner and that was 13 years ago and under the old CBA. The current CBA incentivizes teams to keep drafting young, fresh, cost-controlled legs in the 2nd/3rd round until they hit on a stud rather than pay a career backup to be the bellcow on his 2nd contract, so there's almost zero chance good handcuffs like Mattison, Pollard, etc will ever get a chance to be a bellcow.


AnyGivenSunday__

- CeDee has surpassed Cooper 100% - Darnold MIGHT be who we thought he was? - Brady is going to win the MVP - Aiyuk is Pettis 2.0 - Chase is elite


LamarcusAldrige1234

lol an aiyuk takeaway even when they didnt play is harsh


flashpile

I came in to this thread thinking I was finally safe from Aiyuk doomers for one week


Andyb5533

Lol. Think again


Thromkai

he had the same amount of fantasy points on his bye that he had in Week 1


dotarock

Pettis had 11 targets today


AnyGivenSunday__

There aren't enough comeback underdog stories in the NFL, I'd love to see him succeed, I just don't think he will be given the chance unless the other WRs keep getting injured.


BlueMerleShelties

He's good enough to hang around for a few more years as a depth WR (even Laquon Treadwell is still in the league), but he'll never be fantasy relevant again. His best shot is to carve out a career as a Seth Roberts-type. Roberts hung around until last season at age-29.


GravyFantasy

Isn't Pettis only dressing because Giants WRs aren't allowed to be healthy?


BlueMerleShelties

Not sure. I think he plays on special team. I thought John Ross and/or Colin Johnson would have a bigger role than him and was surprised he got fed so many targets.


alxndiep

How can you come to that conclusion about Darnold after watching that game? The amount of drops in that game was borderline comedic, had it be around 10. If the receivers caught half of the drops we would be talking about Darnold’s performance in different light. Who knows what could’ve been. Robby and DJM had at least 3 drops each. Chubba Hubbard aka “Stone Hands” had a few as well. Thats not even addressing that dumpster fire of an offensive line he’s playing behind. When you get sacked multiple times before you even completed your drop back, guess what? thats not on Darnold. One of those sacks ended up in fumble. Ball security is on the qb sure, but getting hit in the first place is not. If anything that final drive, where he went 98 yards for the score + 2pt conversation despite starting 0 from 3 all on drops and converting on multiple 4th downs tells me he’s not the issue. He might not be the guy, but he wasn’t the reason why they lost today. If anything, he was the best player for the Panthers on offense. Everybody else let him down.


Maxx0utt

I agree some of it’s his fault but holy shit that O line was getting shit on and his receivers did not help him at all.


alxndiep

On first viewing I had it as 8 drops. 3 on Djm, 3 on Robby and 2 on Chubba. Is that a record? 3 drops were on 3rd down which resulted in punts and DJM dropped a touchdown in the end zone.


Maxx0utt

Idk if it’s a record but it’s a disgrace. If they continue to play like this they will continue to lose. Tremble also had at least 1 drop.


alxndiep

I was nice about Tremble’s 2 targets. The first was good coverage although a catch could’ve been made. I’ve seen guys like Kelce make those catches in his sleep. But thats Kelce and this is Tremble. The second one was straight up PI that wasn’t called. I consider a drop to be wide open easy catch that were not caught. Tremble had somebody on him both times. I could be a bit mean and say DJ Moore had a 4th drop on an under thrown ball by Darnold in the 4th quarter, but Patrick Peterson got hurt and fell down and the ball came off DJM fingers. Yes, DJM had to turn around and adjust to it mid air, but I’ve seen DJM make more difficult catches than that and a player of his calibre should've caught it. But since it was not the easiest of catches, I didn't include it. But I think that goes to illustrate just the kind of night Sam was having with his receivers. He had 24 incompletions, 8 drops, 5 throw aways, 3 bad decisions (1 pick),1 PI no call, 2 good coverage incompletions, 3 over throws and 1 under throw that should've been caught regardless.


samolamim

I agree with you - the box score looked bad but Darnold really didn’t. Was super disappointed with DJM. Thankfully I won my week anyways but man was it tough watching him, while down big and seeing him constantly drop the ball. Hopefully he gets right and keeps going with the season he has been having (taking that step to WR1 range)


Revolutionary_Jump_9

I somehow was able to trade aiyuk for Devonta smith after week one, and I couldnt be happier I got out when I could


apowerseething

Anyone get a read on Bateman yesterday? 4 for 29 isn't amazing but it wasn't a big passing day for Baltimore and didn't need to be. Just wondering if he messed up routes or dropped passes or anything notable. Probably gonna be forced to start him this week due to injuries and byes.


zetiano

Dropped pass that was intercepted


apowerseething

Oh God that's not good.


stepdadonline

It was ugly but nothing to panic about. Lamar zinged the ball in on a ~6 yard slant that Bateman tried to catch with his body, and the ball bounced off his chest and the DB made a great diving catch As a Ravens fan, it's a necessary rite of passage for receivers we draft. Glad it's out of the way now


apowerseething

Yah I was thinking about who even is the best Ravens WR in team history. They haven't had a ton of QB luck pre Lamar. I remember Lee Evans being decent for them but am probably forgetting someone.


stepdadonline

The best receivers in franchise history are guys drafted elsewhere who end up signing here Derrick Mason, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith, even Mike Wallace was solid for a couple years. Best WR drafted is probably Torrey Smith lol Edit: actually it's bound to be Hollywood if he finishes this season anywhere close to his current pace. Still slightly hungover


apowerseething

Ah yeah Torrey Smith, he was good for a bit. Didn't recall that Mason started elsewhere.


RealChipKelly

With Russell Wilson out, I wouldn’t feel comfortable at all starting Lockett. Seattle’s OLine is struggling in pass protection, and I don’t think the reason they called very many deep passing plays last night is because the line can’t hold off pass rush to let routes develop downfield which is mostly where Lockett does all his damage. I’d still probably start Metcalf just because at least the Hawks can run a lot of short stuff to him because he’s such a big body target, but Lockett probably is going to be harder to rely on without Russ


Thromkai

I benched Lockett for this weekend and for the foreseeable future. Can't trust that offense right now, at all.


well-lighted

I thought I was insane for rolling out Mo Alie-Cox in place of Goedert in two leagues, but look who's laughing now! I think... he might be a thing. Not a reliable thing, but the red zone looks lately have been intriguing. 3 TDs in 3 games is p. nice for a dude I could even grab on waivers in TEP dynasty. I watched the morning games in the sportsbook in a tiny casino in Black Hawk, CO, and the only other guy there the whole time was a Colts fan, which made it extra good when I came back from getting food and saw he'd scored. Also I had a parlay riding on that Vikes game and, oh baby, did that make for some fine sports gambling entertainment.


Touche_good_sir

Anyone see how Bateman looked?? Tied for most targets at least seems like a good sign on paper.


ZP_Carnegie

Same way he was at Minny he is a chain mover. Really good in underneath routes and can go deep. I think he’ll eventually be a consistent high floor guy (5 catches 67 yards on his bad days) which are the type of receivers I like.


xthecerto4

Played on a lot of snaps for comming of IR, seems like he was out there almost for all snaps. Pretty slow start but got some good catches in the second half. No highlightplays but all around solid. He is a talented guy. I am afraid when watkins is healthy his snapcount/targets will be too low to provide fantasy value this season. Future outlook is nice. Give him some time to develop.


Pr0v33

He didn’t stand out. Caught a few first downs for 6-7 yard gains and had an egregious drop that resulted in a pick. Looked like any other random receiver.


WeWantTheCup__Please

This is all true, although also nobody in that reviving corps really stood out today so I’m not too worried, especially give it was his first showing of the year coming off injury


JuniorBobsled

4 first down catches for 6-7 yards each is super encouraging on a first showing.


WastedLevity

Anyone been watching Carolina and Terrace Marshal? His stat line isn't very encouraging so far


Rakkner

He got knocked out of the game with a concussion


onlevel7

Hopefully he gets more opportunity after today's shit show their receiving corps put on


miked5122

I was considering buying low on him today and then I started wondering how long he'll be tied to Darnold. I didn't proceed with formulating a trade.


BlueMerleShelties

I was high on him all summer, but the dream died as soon as they gave Robbie Anderson an extension in August. Very few offense can support 3 pass catchers, much less 4. He's behind Moore, Anderson, and likely CMC for the foreseeable future and none of them is leaving anytime soon.


No-Boysenberry4464

If ya have Marshall i'd recommend picking up Shi Smith too, another rookie WR there who the fans have been raving about, made his debut today so stash him in case he comes in and becomes the guy.


jgoatzy416

Definitely not a lot to be excited for so far, but then again Davante Adams had a pretty abysmal start to his career behind Cobb and Jordy. I’m not saying Marshall is Davante, but Davante took until year three to breakout and that was with Cobb and Jordy still on the team. Tl;dr i like the guy and I’m not panic selling. That said I’m also a rebuilding team


meizinsane

He was concussed this game early on. But yea, still hasn't impressed.


SameGenericUsername

I think he got concussed at some point yesterday


BullGangLeader

1. Najee is a top 3 dynasty RB, his usage is excellent and he’s been so good this season. 2. Courtland Sutton is still the alpha in Denver, he would have had an easy TD today if Teddy could have thrown a better ball. 3. Mac Jones is a competitor, seeing that TD throw after that Diggs INT was impressive for a rookie QB. 4. Lenny Fournette is a bellcow RB for this season. Rojo’s usage is non existent and he’s a cheap RB2 for contenders with RB1 upside every week. 5. People were too low on Mixon for this season, with Bernard gone he’s getting more usage but he still needs more targets to be a top tier RB1. At RB2 prices he’s a great player.


Rangemon99

Can you say Sutton is the alpha if a jeudy hasn’t been playing? Prior to his injury Jeudy looked like the man in Denver and they haven’t been on the field together at full speed really ever


Callmedaddy8909

Suttons stat line could have been much more impressive if Teddy could get the ball even remotely close to him. I think Jeudy coming back actually helps improve Suttons chances at consistent production. Could be a scary good combo.


tobinerino

Week 1 had Jeudy being fed volume and Sutton not…


BullGangLeader

Even before Jeudy got hurt I was still saying Sutton would be the alpha there, it’s not a take many agreed with but I still believe it’s true. I think Jeudy is a better route runner and will eventually be a better player but Sutton has looked great. Lots of people forget how good he was two seasons ago before his injury.


Rangemon99

Thing is as long as Teddy two gloves is there I think Jeudy will be the man if he constantly gets open on the short/medium routes where teddy can actually hit him consistently i think he’ll end up being a target hog


BullGangLeader

I think both can be productive in this offense with Teddy, he pushes the ball downfield which benefits Sutton as well.


BlueMerleShelties

After beating 3 doormat teams, Bridgewater has been unsurprisingly dogshit for 3 straight weeks now (completely not competitive before padding some stats in 4th quarter garbage time), so I fully expect him to get benched at some point (perhaps as early as halftime next week) because Fangio is trying to save his job. The Bridgewater vs. Lock situation is a lot like Foles vs. Trubisky last year. Everybody already knew Bridgeater and Foles are trash. Lock and Trubisky might be worse, but at least they have some upside. Trubisky ended up starting more games than Foles last year for the Bears and I expect something similar in Denver this season.


BullGangLeader

Drew Lock sucks so I don’t expect him to beat out Teddy for playing time this season at all unless he starts playing even worse. They need to trade or draft a franchise QB there.


BlueMerleShelties

Jeudy arguably got outplayed by JAG Tim Patrick last year lol. Sutton had a 1,112 season in 2019 despite dogshit QB play. He's way ahead of Jeudy. Jeudy needs to separate himself from JAGs like Patrick first before we can talk about him overtaking Sutton as alpha. > Prior to his injury Jeudy looked like the man in Denver No he didn't. He has appeared in only 1 game this season when he caught 6 out of 7 targets to 72 yards and 0 TD. It's an irrelevant sample size and he frankly did nothing special. Tim Patrick already has a 98 yards game (on only 5 targets) and 89 yards game this season and is averaging 57 yards per game, so it's frankly not a given Jeudy is better than him.


RoxBox18

Jeudy had 6/7 and 72 yards in 1 half. Sample size is small but that’s a great start and was used early and often


Maxx0utt

Probably a long shot but if Denver can get Watson the O would be scary with Sutton, Jeudy, Patrick, fant and Williams.


miked5122

I find it hilarious that one comment is Najee is great and then another says he's a mirage. Guess the jury is out.


surfingwithgators

I thought he was alright. The Steelers line truly is putrid but I also felt he could have made more people miss in 1v1 situations. Nothing really that made me say wow.


StocksOrStonks

Have you not watched him all season? I’ve definitely seen some wow moments. Especially behind that awful line.


BullGangLeader

That juke and hurdle play in the game last night made me say wow. Regardless, even if he hasn’t looked good for some people he’s been great for fantasy this season and that’s all we care about for our teams.


RibeyeRare

Won every game across 5 leagues this week, and I didn’t watch a single game (except Thursday for my Birds). Normally I watch at least 6 games. I’m debating if I should never watch football again after how the year has started out for my team. This was a good week.


baineschile

NFL RedZone is a godsend


FugDounny

Don't know why you're getting down-voted for this. Good on you man. And yeah, you clearly can never watch football outside of Thrusday night games ever again. To be safe, better not watch any sports ever again unless it's a Thursday.


RibeyeRare

I guess no one liked my humor, but whatever, I appreciate you!


Lilspainishflea

You need to play in better leagues.


TheHeintzel

And pass up free yearly donations from tacos?


RibeyeRare

Why?


spicyclams

Daniel Jones concussion knocked him back to a year ago. He had 2 really bad interceptions and 1 where the receiver fell down. He wasn’t able to read the zone coverage properly. Toney is the closest thing to Tyreek Hill there is when it comes to the open field. Before he went down, he looked unguardable in man-to-man.


WestonJoy

Going into next week 5-1 with 5 starters on bye that includes both starting QBs, and maybe Chubb on top of that