Travis Etienne's Worth and Future Outlook
By - rueschspuffs
Who is really selling that still has him ? I don't think anyone holding sells for less than a 1st and people buying only wanna pay a 2nd.
I got Etienne and Javante Williams for Calvin Ridley.
Is that a good for me wow or a bad for me wow lol
Very very good for you wow
That's how I was feeling but that wow had me shook
That’s absurdly good for you
We just started it this year so I am so new to these values
Due to positional scarcity elite, young RBs have huge value. Javonte has shown he’s a special ball carrier and ETN has a lot of potential if he can recover from the lisfranc. You made out very well.
That's what I was thinking so feels good! I also have dj moore, Courtland Sutton, Tyler Boyd, Marquez Callaway, and Rashod Bateman on my roster so I felt that I could handle the loss of Ridley to not have to stream running backs every week
That’s ridiculous. When did you make that trade?
About 2 weeks ago, just as Ridley was announced to be out
I bought him for Sutton to a team that was surprisingly competing this year after a hot start and needed some more depth, and I have 1 win and 12 injured players on my team so figured that upside for next year was worth the shot
I'd like to buy ETN as the Robinson owner, but the guy that has him in my league paid a metric fuck ton for him before his injury
What did he pay?
Before the rookie draft, he shipped Chubb, Sutton, and a 22 first for the 1.02 in 1QB. He then took ETN with the pick.
Wow, what an atrocious trade.. even without the ETN injury.
Yeah, I just looked at KTCs calculator and it's crazy, but if he had taken Chase with the pick, they call it even. I had 1.04 and him taking ETN allowed Chase to fall to me so I was smiling.
Lol what a win for you.
That's a lot
Not really worried about the lisfranc with an entire 12 month recovery. I don’t think Urban is going to get fired. It’s not that I’m super high on ETN but I wouldn’t sell for a late 1st. I just think this 2022 RB class is trash. There’s a decent shot ETN is better than all of them. So I’d be buying ETN with a late 1st as a Robinson owner. That way an injury to either is a net wash. And there’s a decent shot the offense turns things around and they both put up decent numbers.
I owned both and traded Robinson + Goff for Henderson + Darnold after week 3. Feel good about it.
Spiller and hall look 🔥
There’s still time for me to be wrong but they are more like meh for me.
id look to buy low if possible. he was awesome in college and it will probably be a competent coaching staff next season
Do you think his injury will affect his play long term?
wont know til he plays
History says yes. There are some who have done OK, but usually not. That said, most of the players you’d measure against for point of reference were older then E. Youth may give him a advantage. Still risky IMO. I also have stock in Robinson, but I am not making a move for E.
That’s why I don’t get everyone who brings up the history of the injury? Most of the running backs were on the tail end of their career? And Hollywood had the same exact thing and his still a quick cut burner, playing at a very high level right now.
Just seems people pick and choose to confirm their own bias.
There hasn't been a competent staff in JAX in *years* not sure why you think that will change.
I wouldn’t part with ETN for anything less than a first. I personally would rather gamble on the talent. Marquise Brown would be a recent example of someone who had the surgery and recovered. You mentioned you have Robinson, I wouldn’t want any additional shares of this backfield especially while Urban is still the coach.
I traded him and a 2022 2nd away in my league for Michael Carter, a 2023 1st, and a 2022 3rd
What RBs have had major issues returning from this?
I would love to look at back at their age and how they recovered.
He checks boxes for breakout age, pass catching, maybe maybe an offense on the rise, that’s debateable.
Really curious why everyone is worried about ETN's Lisfranc but Akers is going to be a top 5 RB after an Achilles tear?
Unpopular opinion but I think Henderson and Robinson will carry a good amount of value and role next year.
I agree with you.
This sub is not composed of a single monolith
Lisfranc injuries come good with rest and rehab for 6-9 months. Achilles injuries sap explosiveness.
Yea so shouldn't we be more optimistic about ETN?
Don’t think everyone thinks Akers will be fine. But historically more rbs and players have come back from Achilles tear vs lisfranc which has seemed to end careers early of most of the guys who have gotten it
A couple weeks back Robinson made it apparent hes a legit NFL running back and he's basically free for JAX. He's going to have a big role going forward and ETN has a significant injury for a RB.
I ended up trading ETN and a late 22 1st for Javonte.
Awesome trade for you, damn.
Lol apparently not everyone thinks so, thanks for the downvotes ETN owners.
Javonte out here looking like beast mode lol don't you worry about the downvotes, it's all salt.
Some fool tried to offer me Gaskin for him today.
I'm in COMPLETE rebuild mode, and was able to sell Myles Gaskin to the 2nd place team for ETN AND a late 2nd round pick after Gaskin's week 5 blow up. Gaskin put up 3.4 pts the following week 🙈
ETN was traded by taco (his offer) for Gus Edwards, in my league. Obviously, post-Dobbins and pre-Edwards injuries. Terrible at the time. Then Edwards was injured like a week later, maybe less. 🌮
lol I had someone offer me Bryan Edwards shortly after Etienne got placed on IR.
Far out man.
Why? Robinson was just as good last season but was still looked to be replaced. Do you think Henderson is guaranteed his job too?
Right, like how Swift started as a receiving back. The report that ETN was lining up as a receiver was also when Lawrence wasn't doing handoffs, so it was just them doing something with him instead of nothing. If Taylor, Swift, or Najee were on that team, do you think Robinson would still clearly be the #1? Because those are the players that Etienne was a comparable prospect to.
Lions didn't have a James Robinson.
Lol, the irony. Etienne doesn't suddenly become bad at football just because you want Robinson to be good fyi.
Cool, so you think they are just going to sit a Swift/Najee tier prospect on the bench? That sounds like a perfectly reasonable assumption. The Browns have a much better RB than Robinson and they still make space for a committee with Hunt. At the very least I'd assume Jags would do something similar.
Lol, you think Robinson would have beaten out Swift?
I don't know where I said that. But if the Lions had a very good 3 down back that can pass block and catch the ball they would still give him reps and playing time.
Also Jamaal Williams is stealing snaps from Swift, not saying he should but Robinson is a better back than Williams, so I would put money on Robinson stealing work from Swift if he was here.
You're also putting alot of faith in an RB who has had comparisons to other players but has never played a down in the NFL and currently has screws in his foot to repair one of the most detrimental injuries to a RB.
ETN isn't on Swifts level.
Do you think he is at least close to Akers? Henderson has played very well before Akers came in and completely relegated him to the bench.
I would put ETN and Akers in the same range. Where they both won't come back to take the starting job because the severity of their injuries and that their counterparts proved to be valuable assets in the NFL.
I honestly want nothing to do with either guy. I'll let someone else take on that risk and watch Javonte carry bodies for 15 yards.
I don’t think either have the guaranteed job. I do know that Akers’ injury is harder to come back from. But I’m just an ETN, Jeudy, MT owner who’s somehow 3-3. I honestly can’t tell you who I’d prefer right now between ETN and Akers.
It's only Robinson's if ETN doesn't come back healthy. From the reports it seems pretty 50-50 on whether he will come back the same. If he comes back and is at least as good as Robinson, its his job. Follow the draft capital.
If you think its Robinson's job then you must be in the camp the injury ends any possible productive career. Which is possible. It's just not black and white like that. It really comes down to how he heals and how good of an NFL player ETN is.
I mean I agree with all this. You just made it seem like it's a done deal. It's definitely not.
You as well! If the Wolves win, it'll be a good day.
In my league he went in the early 2nd and I wouldn't want to pay more than that.
I just traded ETN + Zack Wilson + a 23 first for kamara. I’m contending so I thought Fck it I’ll shoot for the moon.
SF or 1QB?
Ops sorry I usually add that. 10 team 2qb ppr.
Hmm seems like a lot to give up for Kamara in 2QB.
Yeah I’ve been getting mixed reviews. Some saying over pay, some saying good deal. Wilson was my 4th qb. Etn was my 4th rb on IR. Figured let’s go for the win this year.
In a 16 team qb/te premium I traded arron Jones and robby Anderson fir Etienne and dj Moore. I'm kind if retooling to try and get younger after a rough 2-4 start.
Sold ETN for Darrell Henderson before last week. Contender
Drafted him with the 2.01 post injury in our rookie draft. Won't take anything less than a mid 1st
I just got him in our superflex 4 keeper leauge. traded Hopkins and a 12th rd for Etienne and a 2nd round pick
hope it works our for me...
Which players are you referring to?
Credit to u/Grown_Ass_Kid
Julio Jones fractured his Lisfranc in the 2013 season. His next two seasons were career best at the time (albeit with Roddy White retiring) with 104/1593/6 in 2014 and 136/1871/8 in 2015.
Brian Westbrook injured his Lisfranc in 2005. His next two seasons were career best rushing 240/1217/7 and receiving 77/699/4 in 2006 and rushing 278/1333/7 and receiving 90/771/5 in 2007 while only playing 15 games each season.
Le’Veon Bell suffered a minor injury to his Lisfranc in 2013. His next two seasons he rushed 290/1361/8 and received 83/854/3 in 2014 and rushed 113/556/3 and received 24/136/0 over 6 games in 2015.
MJD injured his Lisfranc in 2012. He only played one full season after that and his production dipped by nearly 50% in 2013 when he rushed 234/803/5 and received 43/314/0.
Santonio Holmes severely injured his Lisfranc in 2012. The next season he had a sharp decline receiving 23/456/1 over 11 games in 2013. In 2014, he played less than 250 snaps and retired.
Cedric Benson injured his Lisfranc in 2012. He never played another snap after that.
Ronnie Brown injured his Lisfranc in 2009. He declined in 2010 by rushing 200/734/5 and receiving 33/242/0. He was relegated to backup duties in 2011 and never regained the job.
After a breakout year, Darren McFadden injured his Lisfranc in 2011. His next season he declined sharply rushing for 215/707/2 and receiving for 42/258/1.
After being drafted 9th overall in 2007, Ted Ginn Jr. injured his Lisfranc prior to his rookie season. He never reached his potential and put up less than 40 catches and 500 yards in 5 of his first 6 seasons while battling injuries.
Overall, it all comes down to the severity of the injury, how it is treated, and player’s ability to overcome injury setbacks. It can be a devastating injury if it is a severe case (Holmes) or mishandled (McFadden), but it is not a certain death-wish as seen by Julio, Bell, and Westbrook.
According to multiple reports from SI, ESPN, and others, x-rays were negative. This wasn't a fracture of the Lisfranc bones, it was a tear in the tendon.
Lisfranc injuries refer to injuries to the mid-foot area and can include the bones and/or ligaments. A Lisfranc injury could involve a fracture of the bones (metatarsal) or a tear in the ligaments that connect the metatarsals to the tarsal (top part of the foot that connects to your ankle).
But rather than trying to describe all of that, it was just easier to say "Lisfranc bones", i.e. the bones involved in a Lisfranc injury.
Except Etienne never had a fracture either?? Please link a source that says that it was a fracture.
Ok then it sounds like you’re making an assumption that there was a fracture because there was surgery. That’s not the case.
From my research, the injury he had is a Lisfranc sprain, which can be described as a mid foot sprain involving the ligament that supports the bones in the middle of the foot.
There a different grades that can be assigned to the injury, varying in its severity, and having a bone fracture complicates the injury. Etienne did not have a fracture.
His surgery was to repair the Lisfranc ligament in his foot, not the surrounding bones.
Others who had similar injuries with surgery and recovered are Hollywood Brown and Cam Newton. Cheers!