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A counter argument consists of: * The Rockets being 11-21 and tanking * Youth movement (See Cousins waived) * Wall and Dipo are injury prone, shutdown, trade candidates * Gordon and Tate are nowhere near the talent ceiling of KPJ.


qwerty2367

wall probably isnt a trade candidate with his massive contract


highasmyhairline

Three players can run the offense on a team (see Miami, Cleveland, Nets, Boston)


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highasmyhairline

Nowhere did I imply that, I just said Wood KPJ and Wall will most likely be running the offense as soon as Dipo gets traded for a first and filler.


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

We dont know what the Rockets plan to do. With Wall and Dipo injury health, what incentive for Rockets to be shitty to slight average shitty instead of harvesting draft capital. Maybe they go on a run or maybe they all get injured. 🤷‍♂️ Houston sports right?


lol-da-mar-s-cool

Half of those players are either currently or ongoingly out with an injury at any given time


so-cal_kid

Yes but on the nights they play they severely limit KPJ's minutes/opportunities


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

True. Kpj most likely will see like 15 minutes until April. Off the bench too. If he starts showing out maybe he gets more.


Silanah1

That’s the worst list of players that any team would possibly have over a mid season free agent addition. And there’s little chance all stay with them or stay healthy.


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PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

Out of the 4 guys you mentioned in your original comment, all 4 guys have missed time this season due to injury. Also, we are not expecting KPJ to have “free rein”, we are just banking on him to outplay his competition on the court (Gordon, Tate, House) and outlast the injured Dipo and Wall by early April.


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Revolutionary_View19

Same as with every injured player, really ... seems the best way to increase your fantasy stock is to just not play.


abry2008

I watched the gleague vids and the guy really moves like Harden


V-Bo

Sam Dekker 2.0


AMTS1999

And here’s why.


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

Also Kevin Love called him the best young player the Cavs had. Over Sexland.


vo_bob

His quote was “most talented”. Definitely didn’t say he was the best one


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

Most talented over Sexland is saying something too. And generally the same message: KPJ is a baller.


vo_bob

Talent in the context of the love discussion that quote was from was in regards to raw ability (jumping rebounding scoring). Not polished nba play. Love meant his physical profile and potential is ridiculous. But Sexton is far better and love has said he’s become their best player.


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

Pretty much Love meant KPJ has the highest ceiling vs. Sexland. Which judging by last season and the G-League, it may be true. Worth an speculative add.


vo_bob

Disagree after having listened to the podcast. He was simply complementing Porter and calling him a good kid with loads of potential. Wishing him well. It was not in anyway a slight to Sexton or Garland who are performing at an nba level now. But fantasy wise, anyone expecting much more than 14 points and five rebounds at best is probably delusional. And that’s optimal outcome. That’s definitely streamer worthy if you want a fairly efficient scoring streamer who could average a handful of rebounds from guard spot. (All this assuming the rockets prioritize getting him minutes). But his fantasy profile isn’t all that well rounded yet. I expect they’ll take it real slow with the depth the rockets have in the backcourt.


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

Exactly. 14 points is his floor. With an upside of 20-30 points if he gets pathway to minutes. The conditions are ripe for KPJ to show out with all the Rockets injuries. During his play last season, he played behind Sexland and dropped a 30 bomb vs the Heat. His late Jan-Feb last season splits alone are more than streamer worthy if people paid attention. And his G-League dominance means hes warmed up to contribute. Worth an add in 12-14T.


vo_bob

I’m saying 14 is his ceiling. He has zero chance at averaging over 20ppg this season. Once wood is back he’s always gonna be at best fourth option (if oladipo is dealt). Any games you’re looking at from last year‘s Cavs teams feature one of the worst rosters ever assembled playing multiple rookies at starter level minutes. Wall and oladipo and Gordon were not there. Just Sexton. It’s not comparable imo. His talent and 25-30 mpg might get him to 14/5


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

I’m saying his fantasy floor-ceiling is 14-30 fantasy points. Also, playing behind Sexland and Drummond/Love is the same playing behind Wall/Oladipo and Wood. Kevin Porter Jr. is listed as a SF too, which he played in sets with Sexland last season. KPJ’s main competition for realistic minutes is Gordon, Tate, House. Gordon is solid, Tate has less NBA minutes than KPJ, and House just got injured. Worth the add.


vo_bob

Love rarely played and Drummond was only there for 8 games last year. Porter jr at sf was terrible with Sexton and Garland so they pretty much stopped playing him there after January. They similar to rockets gleague team experimented with making him their primary handler as the sixth man off the bench to lead second unit. That was his best fit because it allowed him to showcase his best skill which is iso scoring. He could play some sf with rockets maybe since they are a small squad, but again, without the ball in his hands his fantasy outlook is bleak. It needs to be without wall and Gordon and oladipo on the floor.


lemmecsome

It’s interesting here I’ve commented on every thread about him. When Houston shuts down their good players it’ll be his time to feast and it’s gonna be either feast or famine babyeeeeee.


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

Yeah the Rockets are 11-21. They are playing for nothing if they dip further down.


frosdoll

Dipo turned down the contract because he is eligible for a 4 or 5 year extension at the end of the year. I think dipo and wood are their long term plan. Porter may get a run but no matter what he is a 4th option.


Both-Organization-27

If he pays off and that’s a big if, I doubt it’ll be before the fantasy playoffs. He’s gotta learn a new system and there are a bunch of scoring options on that team


GoodLowered

>there are a bunch of scoring options on that team Idk that game against the Grizzlies last night makes it seem like the team is full of a bunch of fuckin bums.


Both-Organization-27

You do know that wood and olidipo didn’t play last night


GoodLowered

Yeah but part of this post is how Dipo denied his contract recently. Betting on KPJ is definitely betting on a few different things coming together, including Dipo getting moved. Even if Dipo doesn't get moved, I think the team is shit enough that they'll give KPJ some opportunity.


Both-Organization-27

And I said originally that if it pays out and that’s a big if, I doubt it’ll be before the playoffs. And if they trade olidipo that probably means more players for Kevin porter jr to compete with for shots plus wood and wall and Tate


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

Kpj doesnt have to compete with the starters lol. He will most likely come off the bench so he has to outplay Gordon, Tate, and House. Lol. Have you seen KPJ play?


BruceBannaner

KPJ is legit at bball, bad at playing nice.


Icydoughnut812

i'm down about 12 games against my opponent for this 2 week matchup. Accepted that i'm taking an L and stashing players for 2 weeks from now


smoquonbarkwood

Right there with ya


CenturyBreak

This kid is too talented to be left off any team. Especially in dynasty league


FrancoFINNessor

Drop candidates are Saddiq Bey and Jarred Vanderbilt, I am sitting in 2nd and will comfortably make the playoffs- who should I cut?


hello_timebomb

Vandy


thebestmike

Let’s not forget the Cavs just gave him away for nothing. He’s a head case and there’s a good chance he screws this us up too. I’d rather stash one of the injured guys if you have any of those on the wire.


highasmyhairline

He'll fit into HTown culture like a glove.


thekittiestitties00

As a Tate owner I hope what you say is true.


MrRobot_96

Tates been pretty mediocre the past week. Dipo and wall ruining his value.


thekittiestitties00

He's very underwhelming lately.


McJumbos

That TO punting 👀👀


dkantar

Drop Bey, Noel or Jones jr. for him? I’m 9-1 in a 12t points league


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taenggg

Don't listen to this guy


Aureder

Why not? (I’m in a similar position as u/dkantar)


VintageBaguette

I went with House instead.


krischops

Not a fantasy relevant player and never has been


Lemmywinks8668

Never in his whole 50 games Edit: he also scored 30 in one of those


krischops

He had lots of usage last season and did average. Idk if you are insinuating we have seen enough for hype. I personally do not think so.


TanClark

Obviously we haven’t seen enough to call him fantasy relevant considering he was drafted in 2019...hype and opportunity has plenty of relevance if the right things occur for him


Few_Mulberry7175

He's gonna be better this year but also Houston is gonna be terrible


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

He never had a lot of usage last season. He played behind Sexland, which means KPJ got whatever scraps he could get. October - January he averaged 21 mpg. Last two month he got more minutes and balled out.


krischops

With that thought process, maybe viable in points leagues, however, until I see efficiency and stocks he isnt viable in a category league


PM_Me_Accounts_rGay

Yeah KPJ is a points league guy unless he proves otherwise.


NBAfan4life34

yooo after that crazy game have y'all heard of some of the stuff KPJ be in too? [https://youtu.be/JyKqX1GvEKc](https://youtu.be/JyKqX1GvEKc?fbclid=IwAR0hLMFcyklAXabGSLWrwq5hbnRPb1VRbrH6Cycygk3s55v3kjv3TiSjKHs)