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What are some tropes you hate about alien occupations?

What are some tropes you hate about alien occupations?

PageTheKenku

Both groups being able to naturally understand one another. The aliens being portrayed as beings of pure evil. No apparent reason for their occupation, or it being limited to "resources".


WhySoSeverusSnape

And this is why Arrival was so exciting. Whole movie about us understanding them and turns out they want to help.


RoboRomb

Yeah, I always hated that. I often strive to make my aliens more... *human*, if that makes any sense. Psychologically speaking, that is. They don't look like humans at all. Anyway, despite that, they tend to be arrogant imperialists. What sets them apart from other arrogant imperialists is that they have a justification for being so, at least in their minds. There's an ongoing war against an apocalyptic threat that will eventually consume the universe if it isn't stopped, which for has rendered the Galaxy marred by war over the millennia, driving its various inhabitants to sabotage and compete with each other to survive, gathering resources and support for the war effort, some prefer to escape and ride out the end of the universe. More experienced civilisations prey on younger ones.


feor1300

>No apparent reason for their occupation, Apparent's an important word there. Just because humanity doesn't understand why the aliens invaded doesn't mean there wasn't a reason. In my sci-fi setting the aliens invaded seemingly for no reason whatsoever. They enslaved humanity and used us as free labour but it didn't even seem like they were harvesting resources from the planet. it wasn't until we kicked them off the planet that we found out Earth had been targeted just because, for their particular brand of FTL, the Sol system was in a strategically important location and why would they go to the effort of building a space station or teraforming something when there was a perfectly good habitable planet, with no one who could realistically hope to resist them on it, to build their outpost on right there?


Pokoirl

This is a textbook example of bad aliens. A galactic power that can travel through the galaxy, and they need human labor? Why nog make robots?? If they want earth for FTL, they can just kill all the humans and be done with this shit


feor1300

They don't *need* human labour, but we're here, and we were powerless to stop them (the invasion happened in roughly 2075ish, we had no hope against their tech), so why waste resources building & maintaining robots when humans will reproduce and maintain themselves as long as you give them a few hours off a day to rest?


Pokoirl

Because it's easier to charge a robot than maintain a human? Our reproduction cycle is VERY slow (12-15 years to reach sexual maturity), we need food, and not any food, to work. We need water constantly. We get sick and need medication and all kind of systems to prevent sickness. We can't survive beyond a very narrow environmental range. Robots are much faster to make, easier to maintain and can work anywhere for a long time as long as they have battery life (even better with solar pannels or nuclear-powered generators)


feor1300

They didn't take us to the stars. We were being used as slave labour on the planet where we evolved, and so was exactly in the environmental range to support us. Humans will make their own food given a bit of time and land, humans will maintain themselves and each other if they get sick or hurt, and if they fail to do so, it's just a human, there'll be another one along in a few years. This wasn't chattle slavery of keeping humans in pens and only letting them out to do your work. It's indentured slavery of setting up a human settlement outside your facility and expecting a certain number of them to show up to carry out the menial labour jobs you need done in that facility (without recompense beyond not wiping out that settlement and bringing in another lot of humans from somewhere else on the planet), while any humans not needed to fill that quota stay behind and grow food and tend to the children and sick. Sure, maybe it's easier to plug a robot into the wall, but you have to do that, and you have to fix it when it break, and you have to build a new one when it fails. The humans do all of that on their own and there's going to be a portion of them that are greatful to you for the opportunity to do so.


Fireplay5

Why not just block the humans from leaving the planet and build an orbital space station? There's really no reason to interact with them even if you, a highly advanced Type 3 interstellar civilization, needs to go onto the surface. An AK-47 or ICBM means absolutely nothing to a species capable of FTL and space travel; all they would need to do to win the war is threaten to throw an asteroid at the planet to kill everyone.


feor1300

Because then you're on a space station that could have everyone on board die to a random mechanical failure. A window breaks on a planetside base a room might get wet if it's raining, if it breaks on a space station someone's likely dead. And if you're on the planet, and you just ignore the locals, they're eventually going to organize and strike out against you. If you subjugate them you can control their ability to do so, and there will be members of their species who are grateful to you for allowing them to be subjeugated, instead of you attempting to exterminate them.


Fireplay5

Why would the space station have windows?


feor1300

Why wouldn't it? Ours do.


limeholdthecorona

Years ago, I read a Star Trek fanfic kind of using this idea. A hostile alien race colonized Earth (kind of) without humans really ever finding out. Basically they kept them from developing any real spacefaring technology so they couldn't leave, and were using Earth for resources/strategic positioning. It was a really fun read.


BobbitTheDog

It's risk vs reward though. Keeping the humans alive is a risk (however minor) with not really any reward. Robotic labour, or even labour from their own empire (via colonising rather then overlording), would be easier to maintain, have zero risk, and free up the empire to focus on their goals. There has to be a reason to keep the humans - specifically the humans, not just "a labour force" - alive for this sort of occupation to make sense. Even a nebulous reason is better than none.


feor1300

For the Choloth in my story this was mostly a question of them having done this to each other and other races around the galaxy for centuries, so they were arrogant that the didn't feel there was any risk (and really the only reason we ever beat them was one wunderkid scientist working for the resistance that made an unprecedented leap in our technology). But even setting that aside you're making a lot of assumptions there. 1) That they would *want* to wipe out a race like humanity. We see wolves as a dangerous wild animal, but that doesn't meant we want to exterminate them, but if we can put them to work instead you get dogs. And that they can somehow guaranteed get all of us. The Choloth have figured out in the past if you enslave a species some of them will end up siding with you. If you try to exterminate them you will inevitably miss some, who will breed in secret, and eventually cause you more problems than a subjugated race ever would. 2) That bringing in labour from their own empire would be cheaper/simpler. Just because an alien race is capable of FTL travel doesn't mean it's cheap or simple enough that they can bring hordes of folks along, or that they could find volunteers among their own people. 3) That keeping the humans around would somehow divert resources from the rest of the empire. If anything it would mean that they needed less resources for that facility, they don't need skilled techs there to maintain robots, they just need the security detail that was going to be there regardless on the off chance the humans get out of line. 4) That some robotic or internally sourced labour force has zero risks. You think humanity is the only group that would be worried about a Skynet incident? Or that a group of people from the alien species brought to a distant world, potentially cut off from their home, and having to work for the facility on this planet aren't going to cause problems, either by way of violence or simply politically, getting ideas in their head they don't need this military facility and empire lording over them.


BobbitTheDog

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommonTongue https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AliensSpeakingEnglish


MinFootspace

The fact that when you eventually kill their boss / queen / mothership IA, they all die. Redundancy, guys !!


BobbitTheDog

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KeystoneArmy https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DecapitatedArmy


MinFootspace

Thanks for the read! This is exactly what I meant....and what I don't like when used out of laziness in a story. The name "Keystone" in this context is interesting. Builders use keystones to build arches - and indeed if you destroy it, the whole thing comes down. But they do not use keystones out of laziness and keystones have a very important role in a constructikn : they divert a vertical downwards force into 2 opposing horizontal forces. A keystone army becomes interesting when the keystone actually "is in front of the battle and diverts the attack on its soldiers" - in the contextof a war, a warlord that recognises the attacks and dispatches tasks to their army. But a warlord hidden in a well guarded bunkerthat just serves as mcguffin pisses me off lol.


GenericOonorio

I don't like alien occupations in general. They remind me of extremely bland and uninteresting early-2000's media that I'd much rather not have any space in my mind occupied by, and beyond that there's usually this icky veneer of anthropocentrism covering it that makes it hard to really be engaged by beyond the surface level. There's not really any aliens in reality for us to be discriminating against of course, but I'd like to hope that if aliens strolled by we could at least sit down and have lunch together before going full Independence Day on each other.


RoboRomb

Thank you for sharing.


Apprehensive_Age3663

Have a world-spanning Galactic empire that has conquered thousands of alien life forms and possessing technology way more advanced then anything humanity can create in the next century… Has their entire empire destroyed by a ragtag group of human rebels, sometimes horny teenagers or just adults with basic, modern-day machine guns and bombs. Sometimes with the help of other aliens who “don’t like” their species colonizing other worlds, despite the aliens having done so for hundreds of years, but ONLY when they come to Earth and wipe our 80% of the human population do these renegade aliens feel that what they are doing is “wrong”, and are perfectly A-okay with dismantling their entire civilization because they became friends with a few humans.


Crimson_Marksman

I'm gonna give you an example that works. The Combine in Half Life 2 are a textbook example of an alien empire. But they are really big. They conquered the entire universe, supposedly having hundred of billions of combine to do so. And once their universe, they built a machine that allowed trabel into the multiverse and conquered another universe. And then they conquered an untold more, possibly hundreds if their taunts are to be believed. When they showed up on Earth, the war ended in less than 8 hours, billions were dead and women were made infertile. Plus all the natural resources of the planet were slowly being taken away. Now here's why it's possible, even plausible for a group of ragtag humans to defeat the combine, they are far too big. They only left a small number of Combine Soldiers on Earth, along with some police officers. Bear in mind small is a few million for them but there's still a billion people left. So once they cut off from their communications to their upper authority, you get a fighting chance to eradicate every single combine. You can't save anything beyond Earth but well that's just how the dice rolls.


Apprehensive_Age3663

That’s actually a real cleaver way of dealing with aliens empires. Instead of destroying the Motheeship or killing the Alien Emperor and dismantling the entire empire, I like that the humans just deal with the aliens on Earth and do so by cutting off their communication to high command. I really like that approach


Crimson_Marksman

Also there have been real life examples of rag tag rebels defeating an empire. The Mount Fuji rebellion, the Pyrrhic war and The Mongol Invasion of Japan to name a few a examples.


empirebuilder1

tfw one comment just made the entirety of /r/HFY obsolete


Apprehensive_Age3663

I got waaaayyy ti into the comment. I was gonna stop with ‘alien empire being destroyed by ragtag group of teenagers/adults’ but then more ideas came to me and I had to put it all out.


applepieguy21

It’s ok. You can say Voltron. 😂


Apprehensive_Age3663

I haven’t seen Voltron…😅


applepieguy21

Pretty much exactly as you described! lol


Apprehensive_Age3663

OMG are you serious?! I haven’t even heard of it till now!!!


applepieguy21

*Possible Voltron spoilers!!* I don’t believe Earth gets wiped out at all but there is an attempt to do so.


Apprehensive_Age3663

I’m probably not going to see the show, so I personally don’t care for spoilers, but I know others will probably look at this thread and see the comment, so I appreciate you putting the possible spoiler warning. And yeah, of course the aliens try to wipe out Earth. That’s like Making Evil Aliens 101


BobbitTheDog

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RockBeatsLaser https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HumansNeedAliens


smekras

Compatible tech, especially tech dealing with key components. A follow-up to that, no fail-safe when said tech is Hollywood hacked by humans.


RoboRomb

What do you mean by compatible tech?


smekras

Basically this: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlugNPlayTechnology


RoboRomb

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Surcal

The implication.is that advanced computer tech was merely reverse engineered alien technology


StrangeShaman

If you look into reported alien interactions, they have shown to be able to remotely control our technology. I imagine they are something like a super computer compared to our ham radio


dr_prismatic

may i please have the source for your xenological discovery source?


StrangeShaman

The new(ish) documentary on Netflix about the declassified documents on aliens. I forget the title but its long


dr_prismatic

So, this netflix show was able to prove to you that aliens exist, have visited earth, and can interact with our technology? Also, i searched the show up, its called [Top Secret UFO Projects; Declassified](https://www.netflix.com/title/81018709). Might shoot it a watch.


StrangeShaman

I mean you can’t really say they prove it but yup that’s it and it’s a great watch.


smekras

That would still not excuse humans being able to just plug'n'play without prior access to said technology.


StrangeShaman

Yeah that part makes absolutely no sense but the aliens messing with our stuff is totally feasible


smekras

Keep in mind though... just because something is more powerful, doesn't mean it's automatically compatible.


CaptainStroon

Them being interested in earth in the first place. Planets are pretty much the least efficient form of real estate when it comes to habitable space in relation to ressources used. And don't get me started on the ressources themselves. There are much easier ways to get much more raw material and an alien civilisation capable of interstellar travel should also be able to use fusion, fission or any other form of transmutation to get the elements they need. Workforce or lifestock? Workforce can be built and lifestock can be bred, or cloned, or grown in a petri dish. Not even mentioning that alien biochemistry most likely isn't compatible with terrestrial biochemistry. And having a rebelious workforce when robotic workers could do the same job better just asks for trouble.


Angle_Of_Incidence

Yeah, if aliens went to the trouble of travelling here, they have to either be something like biologists, or culture collectors who want to experience alien music and literature. But that's assuming they even bother to go physically when they could just send drones to covertly collect info. I can totally see a small proportion of explorers going to other planets physically, but their drones who would be much lighter and able to travel faster would reach us long before they do. If they wanted to kill us they could just send a few drones and cook us with their propulsion. Or make the drones yeet an asteroid into us.


LukXD99

They come to earth for resources. No matter what they need, it’s either easily available in space or on uninhabited planets, or it would be easier to produce than it would be to travel to earth and fight the locals. Also, they attack themselves. If any smart alien species wanted to wipe out humanity, there’s 100s of ways to do it that don’t involve direct contact, and there’s little we can do against it. From orbital bombardment, bio-engendered plagues or nanobots, it’s all technology that a space-faring civilization would probably have available.


PlasteredMonkey

I always thought this works best when the resources in question are organic in nature. I was thinking the other day that as far as we know, wood is more rare than gold across the galaxy.


Pokoirl

1- How would aliens know about wood if they dont have it on their planet? 2- Why can't this hyperadvanced civilization clone trees and grow them in massive Dyson sphere? Again, resource are a very dumb reason to invade. Even amino acids and other organic compounds are abundant in the universe


Kalkrex-625

Also also send a spaceship to earth, steal some trees, get out, profit. For a species that can travel across galaxies these steps should be really easy. Or even better set up shop in the oceans, what are the humans gonna do, try to explore the one place on their planet that they are terrified of.


Pokoirl

For all we know, they can just create underground cargo facilities deep within the crust, and we will never know


BobbitTheDog

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetLooters


Erook22

It’s never special battlefield strategies, unique home field advantages, or even the adaptation of alien weaponry that saves humanity. It’s usually a plucky teenager, or a rag tag group of rebels who steal somehow perfectly function alien weaponry that needs 0 adaptation to be more suitable for human use. Or even some generic hacker dude blowing up the mainframe of their mothership somehow. Please, I’d like to see an alien invasion repulsed through tactics, home field advantage (our diseases should rip through an unprepared alien armada) and human wit rather then something like exceedingly dumb luck


TexasVampire

Realistically aliens would be entirely unaffected by human born diseases the same way were unaffected by plant or insect diseases.


Kalkrex-625

Get some viruses and watch the aliens suffer.


TexasVampire

Realistically the biology of a alien would be so radically different from you or I that it would be impossible for one of our diseases to jump species.


Kalkrex-625

But aren't Viruses capable of evolving at a ridiculous pace, it would take a couple months or even years, but we should eventually be able to do something right?


TexasVampire

Yes viruses evolve quite fast some like bird flu evolve so fast that your immune system can no longer recognize them after just a few months. But cross-species transmission is very rare with only a dozen or so events having happened after millennia of close contact with such animals and millions if not billions of chances of transmission and would be even harder between species with no evolutionary connection. As a example every instance of animal to human transmission has been between vertebrates not one instance of a insect or mollusk disease jumping to humans.


Kalkrex-625

Oh I see, thanks a lot for explaining this to me!


BobbitTheDog

With the exception of the mutations that cross over, which is where the majority of deadly plagues come from. But they'd have science for dealing with those. Not to mention the really deadly ones burn themselves out. Sure, a virus might wipe out the first invasion force, but then the second force will be vaccinated.


TexasVampire

That's still assuming the disease can make the leap which considered their would be zero biological relation impossible would be a solid choice of wording.


User_4756

Aliens just coming down on earth to conquer it when they could just bombard everything from space for a few months and take all the resources they want without humans being even remotely able to put up a fight.


MegaTreeSeed

Following that vein, invading at all. Our solar system has so much *more* of every single resource on earth floating around free for the taking than they could ever harvest from our planet. If they already have space ships, and can already go FTL, they'd have literally no purpose to invade and destroy earth. They could set up shop and begin strip mining our asteroid and kuiper belts without us being able to do anything except take blurry pictures from tens of thousands of miles away. By the time we cobbled together anything that could both reach them *and fight when it got there* they'd likely be so well established we couldn't even pretend to be threatening to them, if we ever could have at all. It would be like a bunch of chimps on an island being angry at an offshore oil rig, a rig whose ships never even come close enough to the island to tell there's people on them. What are they gunna do? They can't even reach the rig, let alone actually hurt it. Basically, aliens who want resources could colonize our entire solar system, then just ignore earth. It would be exactly the same as conquering us, and there wouldn't be a damn thing we could do about it.


Svetspi_of_Kasvrroa

The solution to this is organic, or otherwise life-originated resources, such as fossil fuels, wood, limestone, dirt, etc. which could only be found on life-bearing worlds, or maybe for slave-labor. But yeah, outside that, there is little reason to invade other than for the purpose of colonization for the sake of colonization, at which point they could easily have peaceful immigration and just skip the hassle of a planet-wide war. Idk, maybe for religious reasons? But that one I think is a stretch.


MegaTreeSeed

I mean, even organics can be found off world. Titan has a plethora of natural gas in the form of methane. The only reasons I could see for invading life sustaining worlds are these: 1: terraforming is actually so hard as to be impossible, even for very advanced races. The ONLY option for open-air colonies is on worlds that already support similar life to your own. 2: the desire for slaves, either cultural or religious, could drive a species to conquer. Maybe they fear AI and don't want robotic servants, maybe it's a status symbol to own a difficult-to-keep-alive individual from a far off world, maybe they just feel that other races are too stupid to govern themselves. 3: hosts. Perhaps, like the Goa'uld, they require sentient hosts for their parasitic forms, or to incubate young, so they regularly take genetically diverse breeding populations from other worlds, or capture them outright. 4: science. Maybe, like ancient humans once did,, they feel the best method to understand another species is to kill it and have its pelt mounted in a lifelike recreation and sent back to academic institutes. Maybe they just want to study our world and our people, but fuck up somewhere and end up conquering us. 5: life is so precious and rare the thought of us driving a mass extinction on our own little blue miracle is too much for them, so they intervene.


Svetspi_of_Kasvrroa

I think that's fair. I suppose the only resource that couldn't be found anywhere else is just the life itself.


Pokoirl

I mean, according to what we know nowadays about the universe, even life is probably ridiculously abundant


Fireplay5

There's likely life(basic lifeforms, but life) on Venus, Europa, and potentially under the surface of Mars. That's just what we're assuming since we can't actually check without potentially spreading alien viruses and bacteria into said hidden ecosystems.


Pokoirl

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a shadow biosphzte in our own planet


Fireplay5

>"shadow biosphere" Never heard of the concept. What is it?


Pokoirl

It's the idea that other forms of life might live on our planet. For example, there could be sillicon-based lifeforms inside the Earth's mantle or RNA-based life in some seamingly sterile ponds that we are unable to detect.


sourc32

1 makes sense 2 makes sense 3 you really think a civilization advanced to the point of interstellar travel hasn't overcome the need for biological hosts? 4 ancient humans thought that way because they didn't know any better, there's no way a space faring species doesn't know any better 5 makes sense


Placeholder4evah

> Idk, maybe for religious reasons? But that one I think is a stretch. Alien crusaders could be interesting. They might see Earth as a sacred holy land it's their destiny to rule.


OneGoodRib

> Our solar system has so much more of every single resource on earth floating around free for the taking than they could ever harvest from our planet. To paraphrase someone I can't remember the name of, Earth has one resource the rest of space doesn't: **humans.**


Fireplay5

Humans are horrifically inefficient meatbags and easily broken.


Kalkrex-625

Earth also has Potatoes! That's gotta count for something right? Right?


TexasVampire

A months long bombardment is underestimating what k2 civilization would be capable of. For example the relativistic kill missile basically just a few hundred tons of metal traveling at a few percent of light speed would easily wipe out all complex life.


BobbitTheDog

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/WhyYouShouldDestroyThePlanetEarth


Abject_Sir

I think it’s strange when the aliens make little to no effort to turn humans against one and other such as by recruiting human soldiers to guard important assets or find a way to pay human mercenaries or criminals to fight for them. It’s not that unusual for technologically advanced occupiers to turn the subjugated population against itself. I think Hernan Cortes may have paid off or encouraged other mesoamerican nations to fight each other. Hell, if the aliens are offering universal free health care and eliminating poverty I imagine a good number of people would be on board after a few years. Likewise, if the aliens enslave the human population and keep humanity in shackles perhaps working with the aliens is the only way to secure a decent standard of living for you and your loved ones.


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Marvin_Megavolt

I have a lot of gripes about XCOM 2 but the propaganda part at least they got right. The Ethereals legitimately did Earth a lot of favors, and smoothed over the unsavory bits with a bit of cleverly-spun tales.


MothMothMoth21

If you don't mind me asking what gripes I throughly enjoy xcom2s depiction of a alien invaision?


Marvin_Megavolt

Mostly just the general tone and style of it - it was a jarring tonal change from the first game's much more grounded and tense feel.


CaptainSebT

Everyone can hack or programs can just casually hack. That's not just a casual skill nore worth teacher infantry soldiers. It takes years to learn to hack now and that's assuming still every species computers even run the same. Who's to say universe x uses computers based in a binary system like earth maybe they created a new form of computing. I don't know how because that kind of speculation is way above I think anyone's abilities but still they could be using a system of computer that's completely different.


Cheap_Brain

Quantum computation. How could one really hack an advanced quantum computer.


CaptainSebT

You likely could if you too were advanced. I was talking like everyone is the same level of advanced your see like people hacking a ships system in real time. There is no way your getting through fast enough to matter in a fight.


Cheap_Brain

Yeah, I was kind of thinking how a human without advanced quantum computation (we’re just now getting it in It’s complete infancy) going onto a spaceship with quantum computation that’s been refined over centuries. Then logging on and hacking the system. I mean, I loved the movie Independence Day (because I was a child when it came out) but no way was it ever going to be possible to crash the alien motherships computer after a few weeks of looking at a crashed ship.


CaptainSebT

If they were using the building blocks of human code and you already knew earth programming. IE if you went to the future you could likely still code you would just have to learn the new stuff. But that's a massive and like probably less then 1% of an if. It's pretty impossible. Also your I guess assuming it's in English or binary (definitely not in binary)


NYC_hydra

The idea that they'd want earth for the land, or want to extermanate mankind. Realistically the only reason you'd want to conquer an inhabited planet is if you want to controlling it's people.


IProbablyDisagree2nd

Alien occupations need so much in order to make sense. 1 - Why are they there? Resources? then they shouldn't have been able to GET to earth with a large and powerful enough force to take our resources. That's just... resource inefficient. Special place? Special pleading? almost never makes sense. 2 - what do they look like. They should be different than humans. Like... a lot different. Different style mouth, thus different sounds, thus a language completely alien to what we could possibly create properly. 3 - how TF do you expect hot alien sex to lead to offspring. half-human half-alien just doesn't make a lick of sense. 4 - OK, super advanced aliens conquer earth. We can assume they are super technologically advanced. So their weapons superior. Not just better guns, but weapons that allow for an entirely different style of war. Just are planes made warfare with just guns a silly notion. Or, for that matter, satellites and drones and guided long-range missiles that can take out a single room across the world. Technology like this makes old warfare difficult. And you don't get out of it by fighting the single big bad guy.


Kalkrex-625

>how TF do you expect hot alien sex to lead to offspring. half-human half-alien just doesn't make a lick of sense. I remember reading somewhere that evolution tends to find similar solution which is why Bats and Birds have an extremely similar wing structure even though they evolved in vastly different environments and are completely different animals (Bats are mammals and Birds are reptiles). Although I assume there would be lot more variation between humans and aliens, perhaps if the Aliens were from the same solar system as us we could do the do with them but other wise I feel it's a stretch.


BobbitTheDog

That still wouldn't lead to offspring though. Sure, they might have a protruding appendage, or a hole to put one in, but that doesn't mean that our sex cells and theirs can interact.


Kalkrex-625

True.


supergnawer

Plot twist: humans are also aliens, they just arrived awhile ago (paleo contact). Makes human-alien babies possible.


IProbablyDisagree2nd

5 ... there is like entire college degrees and professions worth of information proving evolution of humans from other earth species.


MysteriousMysterium

Irredeemably evil despotic aliens that invade planets...because they can.


CaptainSebT

To be fair those are usually a metaphor for human colonization. Showing up and uprooting or destroying the people and way of life because you think your better and basically just because they couldn't stop you.


BobbitTheDog

Yeah, except in human examples of colonisation there was always a gain to be had. We colonised, murdered, and enslaved because it gained us land, new goods, new trade routes, cheap labour. We were evil for profit, not evil for the sake of it. Aliens.. can't really have that reasoning behind them. There's always a better, cheaper, and safer way for them to get the things they would be invading us for. Slaves? Robotics. Resources? Asteroids. Water? Comets. Trade routes? They're travelling in infinite 3d space, there isn't really anything constraining a trade outpost to earth, or any benefit to it being there.


supergnawer

Being a metaphor means they act like something else, not like aliens would realistically act.


Tem-productions

Actually because they can is one of the most realistic options for a motivation


MysteriousMysterium

Of course, but in a story, I want to see interesting antagonists. That's the point of real life and realism: Lots of evil things happen for simple reasons, but in a fictional story the reasons can be more nuanced.


Fiora_FT_W

That an alien invasion is always portrayed a military engagement rather than what it would be: an extermination. An alien civilization capable of interstellar/intergalactic/interdimentional travel would be akin to gods, both on an individual and societal level. When construction workers build a new road they just pave over the ants. On a more meta level; I dispise how alen invasion stories trivialize the Fermi Paradox and the host of philosophcal questions that first contact would entail, only to be ignored for jingoistic, humanocentric, or authoritarian military sci-fi. Then again Halo is one of my biggest inspirations as a sci fi writer, so call me a hypocrite.


GEBeta

Lots and lots of awesome pet peeves represented here! I would like to also propose one more: aliens never express any INTEREST in meeting another species - extermination or not. No scientific research (and any alien probings are just for the purposes of EVIL), no attempts at documenting the culture before exterminating it, no surveying resources and taking a look at the real estate before the motherships start bombing. Oh, our fleet just flew thousands of light-years across the cold, empty void to find this bastion of novel complex life and intelligent civilisation? Whelp, warm up the plasma cannons, guys. I ain’t got all day.


PrayForPiett

But as a trope it did work well in with the vogon fleet in hitchhikers guide though … but I do take your point in a more general context


supergnawer

That's exactly what europeans did when they discovered Americas though. It was a lot of shut up and give us your gold, and not a lot of anything else. Most alien invasion stories are based on that kind of events.


GEBeta

Indeed. I am not suggesting that aliens would react peacefully or even give much of an importance to humanity beyond our resources. However, even the Europeans had good documentation on their exploits in America, with various explorers keeping detailed journals on the cultures of the people they met and the wildlife encountered. And the news would eventually travel back to Europe, prompting further exploration and discussion. They did eventually go shut up and give us your gold, but not before taking a look at the place and making first contact with these unknown civilisations. They had found a new land with stuff never seen before. Even if society at that time did not place much importance on the preservation of native culture or wildlife, basic human curiosity would dictate some exploration. It would be like if we travelled all the way to Alpha Centauri to find it teeming with life, and rather than going “wow!”, we just nuked the place to oblivion.


krassilverfang

The US saves the day and nobody else in the entire world


PaulExperience

A lot of people have mentioned the invading alien empire. Hell, if aliens wanted to bring Earth into an empire, they’d have an easier time showing up with a sales pitch instead of an invasion fleet. If aliens showed up and offered to raise our standard of living if we joined them, then proved they were capable of doing so by offering us a “freebie” such as the cure for cancer, most of the planet would happily fall in line.


Inflatable_Bridge

The aliens killing everyone is portrayed as evil, while in reality, if we found a new planet, that's what we would do


The_House_of_Flies

I hate invasion for the purpose of resource theft. Once a civilization has mastered interstellar travel, it has no reason to invade an inhabited world for its resources, because anything they could get from the planet can already be found in far greater abundance on lifeless rocks that won't put up a fight. Why in the hell would an alien race pick a fight with a planet full of psychotic apes who blow shit up for fun when they could just pop in, mine their local asteroid belt with impunity, and then go back home?


supergnawer

Because the unobtainium deposit is right under the village?


darkeningskyraven

Without coming off as pretentious I dislike the idea itself unless it’s akin to a lovecraftian entity truly beyond comprehension. I don’t hate the idea if it’s pulled off right, but I’m tired of thing like Greys as they’re called. Show some sort of interesting flavor to them.


DinosaurCowBoys1

Them enslaving humanity, why? We are already replacing humans with machines, you think an advanced alien race wouldn’t have all manual labor outsourced to machines?