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Hollow_the_Sun

[Reminds me of this](https://i.etsystatic.com/18345325/r/il/d8afd4/2993408904/il_1588xN.2993408904_85ir.jpg)


WOLLYbeach

Oh shit, I got this on a pin at a may day gathering this year. Bad fucking ass.


One_Key6404

Where can I get these getting a new place need some decour


Hollow_the_Sun

[Can't vouch for it's quality personally, but the reviews seem good](https://www.etsy.com/listing/981227036/we-will-tread-where-there-is-inequality)


WOLLYbeach

I love seeing the bootlicker sticker next to a gadsen sticker. The irony is completely lost on them, it's amazing. Where I'm from there were a lot of people with confederate flags on their trucks, pasted across their rear windows to full blown regalia. I'm from a tiny ass town in Southern Mass... took me a long ass time to see why it was fucking stupid but man once I realized it was like being ripped into reality.


Lylathevegan

I watch a YouTube prank call channel that calls right wing ideologues and messes with them. One of the people they call has a Gadsden flag next to the flag of the Marine Corp and they regularly show support for the police. Like, my dude, you support all the oppressors.


The_Blue_Empire

You forget it says "don't tread on ME"


Lylathevegan

That's true actually. Certainly fits the general philosophy of "right-libertarianism".


edwin_senpai

If you don’t mind me asking, what were your beliefs before? What convinced you? I was raised in a very leftist-sympathetic household so the right-wing mindset has always been foreign to me (although I did fall into the trap of libertarianism for a brief period of time before I became class conscious)


WOLLYbeach

I was walking into a hardcore show and saw a dude getting thrown down a flight of stairs for refusing to take a shirt off with it. I was just a dumb ass kid and thought it meant being a rebel. Much to my chagrin it is not and thank that dude eternally. If it wasn't for seeing that skinhead having his shit kicking in, man, I could've gone down a really shitty path. Just for being a fucking moron and not looking into shit and caring. So yeah, sorry for the rant. Felt good. lol.


Shadlezz07

I hate this kind of representation. Why do we always compare immoral, hateful creatures to poor, innocent little animals? The vilification of the snake is deeply rooted in christian imagery and has helped foster hatred for poor little guys who've done nothing wrong :( Fuck those dudes though, fr


UnholyGoat_666

These are my thoughts on it, except in a kind of different way. The snake is the OG symbol of anti-authoritarianism. When Yahweh wanted Adam and Eve to submit to his authority, the snake came in and told them that they could reach for self-enlightenment on their own. “And ye shall become gods.”


Shadlezz07

Thanks, Satan. Jokes aside that's an interesting interpretation actually. It also makes some sense from a Satanic point of view. I like it!


UnholyGoat_666

You’re welcome! 😈


history69

They say "Don't Trend on Me" But You Trend on Us.


foxbassperson

Hello fellow genderfluid person!!


history69

Hi \^\^


SheepShaggingFarmer

Funny to see the stickle there, concidering historical anti-fascists also attacked the ML perspective on communism. The 3 arrows were fascism monarchism and communism after all.


CrushedPhallicOfGod

Antifa was literally invented by Communists in Germany, the KPD who were literally Marxist Leninist.


FemCog

Antifa started in Italy by a coalition of leftists and liberals, what are you talking about?


CrushedPhallicOfGod

Antifa comes from the word Antifaschistische Aktion which the KPD started. Of course, everywhere there are Antifascists but German Communists started the use of the word and the logo which looks like [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion#/media/File:Antifa_Her_zu_uns.svg).


Arkbit_Protogen

Goes hard (isn't the hammer and sickle mean the USSR which is oppresive country though?)


ottermaster

Hammer and sickle is used most communist groups, it’s a symbol to represent labor. To the second point, the USSR was a lot less repressive than Russia was pretty much ever before and after the Soviet Union, this goes for a lot of the post Soviet countries too. Even if we want to compare it to other countries around the world it faired better in some categories than developed nations, for example hate speech was banned in the ussr and there’s plenty examples of black Americans visiting the ussr and being surprised to be treated like a human being. Another group this applied to is Jewish people, antisemitism was an arrest-able offense. Other stuff to such as women’s right and in some cases lgbtq rights were better than most places are today. At one point in the USSR nearly half of the people in STEM were women. (modern america is only 34%) I’ll try and tackle prisons (gulags) but I’m not super informed on the inner workings and only really have some statistics from stuff I’ve read about briefly. Firstly the ussr never had anywhere near the prison population per capital of other countries like the United States. Gulags we’re similar in conditions to United States prisons, even death rates are similar to modern day prisons here in America not even comparing to prisons in the 20th century which much much worse than they are today. Second big point was that gulags had sentence limits, even for the worst crimes committable you could only be sentenced up to 10 years. I hope this helps I can provide sources if you want I just didn’t feel like digging around and finding them again. I’m an ML btw so I probably have some biases, but I still see anarchists as my comrades any day.


im_dead_already

oh ok fine how about this, if there is a star, it is USSR symbols, if not, it is free use


[deleted]

There is absolutely no reason anarchists or any antifascists should be using the hammer and sickle


Revolutionary-Swim28

Agreed. We anarchists have our A as the symbol


Bortinho_Sama

You do get that antifa is about the union between marxists and anarchists to crush fascism right? It was literally created by the KPD (communist party of germany). Of course there should be a hammer and sickle there, after all who else but the Soviet Union beat the nazis?


[deleted]

The Soviets were able to beat the Nazis because of the [Lend-Lease from the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease) and this was only after Hitler broke the Molotov-Rippentrop Pact. Think about that part for a minute. There was a peace agreement between the Soviets and Nazis and this only ended because the Nazis broke it. *The Soviets did not break the peace agreement with the Nazis.* And how did the “union” turn out for anarchists? Executed, imprisoned, or exiled. Learn from history and don’t glorify bloodthirsty statists.


Tsalagi_

I think it’s worth noting the Soviets pled with the West for an anti-fascist alliance during the Sudetenland crisis. Stalin offered to airdrop troops to defend Czechoslovakia, but was denied air passage by Poland. The West partitioned Czechoslovakia and brought Nazi Germany right to the USSRs door. The Soviets at the time were still rapidly industrializing their military sectors in the face of another capitalist world war. Molotov-Rippentrop was nothing more than a non-aggression pact to stall the Nazi invasion. To place victory on the shoulders of Allied lend-lease is misinformation at best, and blatant propaganda at worst. 27 million comrades died fighting back the nazi hoards, let’s show some more respect to genuine antifascists.


[deleted]

As you say, they were in the process of industrializing, which is why the lend lease was integral to their winning the war. A war that was only possible because of their own cooperation. I respect the men and women who died fighting, not the party leaders and stalinist pigs who murdered their own just as quick as the Nazis could. Hard to believe this is even a conversation among “anarchists”.


Tsalagi_

The USSR produced the most guns, artillery, and tanks vs every other allied country with the exception of planes. Local made weapons like the T-34 were the workhorse of Soviet deep battle doctrine, western armaments counted for a small fraction of the USSR’s arsenal. Lend-lease’s importance is way overblown. Mass industrialization east of the Urals and migration of factories east was the saving grace for the Soviets.


UnholyGoat_666

The claim that the USSR ‘produced the most weapons’ is Soviet propaganda and historically incorrect. [Not even the dictator you love sucking off so much agrees with you on that part](https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1943CairoTehran/d353) > “I want to tell you, from the Russian point of view, what the President and the United States have done to win the war. The most important things in this war are machines. The United States has proven that it can turn out from 8,000 to 10,000 airplanes per month. Russia can only turn out, at most, 3,000 airplanes a month. England turns out 3,000 to 3,500, which are principally heavy bombers. The United States, therefore, is a country of machines. Without the use of those machines, through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war.”


Tsalagi_

[Cool quote but why don’t you back it up with numbers and statistics?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II) USSR produced more war material than any allied country with the exception of airplanes. And their production outpaced every country except Germany. Maybe you’ll find another state-department approved quote to disprove these verifiable facts tho.


UnholyGoat_666

See the blue text in the comment you replied to? All you need to do is tap on it with your finger and it will bring you to the source which provides the *exact quote.* It’s been a feature on Reddit for quite some time.


Tsalagi_

When was the quote in dispute? I provided you with statistics disproving the quote. Try addressing that.


Bortinho_Sama

Jesus, you see the same liberal rhetoric in anarchist discourse. The other guy in this thread already explained molotov-ribentrop so I'm not gonna explain it again. Also, no they weren't able to beat the nazis just because of the lend lease, it was because of how Stalin rapidly industrialized the Soviet Union correctly stating that the capitalists would try to invade the Soviet Union once again. The people's army beat the nazis, not the imperialist forces. It astonishes me how you will be the first to repeat rightist anticommunist propaganda just because you can't admit that the Soviet Union ever did something good.


[deleted]

Oh I see, you are just a tankie. Wasting time talking to one statist is the same as wasting time talking to any statist, because you’re literally all after the same thing.


Bortinho_Sama

I'm not a statist, couldn't be further from that. You are one of the most simplistic and black and white people i've ever seen in my life.


UnholyGoat_666

It’s so hilarious to see so many so-called ‘anti-authoritarians’ buy into *inaccurate soviet propaganda*. [Not even the dictator you love sucking off so much agrees with you](https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1943CairoTehran/d353) > “I want to tell you, from the Russian point of view, what the President and the United States have done to win the war. The most important things in this war are machines. The United States has proven that it can turn out from 8,000 to 10,000 airplanes per month. Russia can only turn out, at most, 3,000 airplanes a month. England turns out 3,000 to 3,500, which are principally heavy bombers. The United States, therefore, is a country of machines. Without the use of those machines, through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war.” Any ‘anarchist’ flying a symbol of state repression such as the Hammer and Sickle is incredibly sus. Especially since more anarchists died under that symbol than they ever did the Gadsden.


d-RLY

Pretty certain that other versions of communism also use the hammer and sickle though. Lots of an-coms like to use it along with the regular anarchy "a" symbol or that merged symbol that is a blend of the "a" and the hammer and sickle. Lots of socialists also use it. Communists also fought and died fighting fascism by the millions. Given the current clusterfuck of literal fascists gaining support from the capitalists. We need to at least realize that the anti-capitalist left needs to start building some amount of bridges while there is any time left. Of course many ML communists need to also be working toward waking up from the idea that there is only one way to deal with disputes. So I am not meaning that they should get a free-pass. The red and black blocs need to work together whenever and wherever we possibly can. Feel free to down-vote me, but the pro-capitalists are the only folks I have any mild issues with under the general banner of Antifa. As fascism is ultimately the end result of both monarchists and capitalists and their placing of profits above everything else kills all of us no matter red or black.


[deleted]

It’s a good idea to [learn from history](https://crimethinc.com/2017/10/30/restless-specters-of-the-anarchist-dead-a-few-words-from-the-undead-of-1917) when you talk about working with these people. It’s not a minor disagreement about tactics, it’s a [fundamental difference of philosophy](https://crimethinc.com/2018/05/29/theres-no-such-thing-as-revolutionary-government-why-you-cant-use-the-state-to-abolish-class). As in, these people stand for the very thing that anarchists are opposed to: hierarchy, authority, and the state.


Bortinho_Sama

No marxist stands for the state, both marxists and anarchists want to reach a stateless society, but what marxists say is that the state won't be abolished from night do day, there needs a transition period where the workers will take control of the state and will use it to empower the worker and defend the revolution.


[deleted]

Instead of copying and pasting this tankie misinformation maybe you should check this out instead: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionH.html


Bortinho_Sama

It's not "tankie misinformation", it's literally what marxists stand for, you will never see a marxst saying the sate is wonderfull, it's a weapon of class war that must be used by the worker until the class was is truly over.


[deleted]

How about checking out some of the links I dropped and actually learning something?


Bortinho_Sama

I checked, no link whatsoever can say that marxists are statists, when marxists theory is explicitly against the state, it's a core part of Marxism always has been and always will be. Where marxists and anarchists different is the following: 1 Marxists understand that class struggle is what moves history, and that economic relations dictate society, while aranrchists say that power relations, inthe sens of state power, dictate society more that economic relations and: 2 anarchists want to abolish the state right after the revolution while marxists want to maintain the state untill the conditions for it's withering away are present. No marxists defend the state. Never. Ever.


[deleted]

>I checked …and then you go on to completely ignore and disregard all of the information that was just provided to you. Typical marxist religious dogmatism


Bortinho_Sama

Hey at last my theory worked, you guys never posed a menace to capitalism and never will. It wasnt the CNT-FAI that became the greatest menace to the US empire was it? Nah, it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Speaking of the CNT-FAI, your "anarchist" society, it had a state. Like a STATE state. Not even anarchists can defend anarchism when the time comes, because anyone who has a brain realizes when the time comes that a state needs to exist for a while to defend the gains of the revolution. Anarchism is idealist, not scientific, when scientific methods are applied the conclusion is Marxism. Same thing with the Black Army in Ukraine, but I hope you're sane and don't defend the black army. I like the CNT-FAI, but it's for the reasons that anarchist shouldn't, because it understood the need for a state to protect the revolution.


rotenKleber

I'm not an anarchist, but if ancoms are using hammer and sickles they are probably just confused baby leftists that think ancom = anarchist & Marxist


donotlearntocode

wait....you're okay with the "antifa boot of oppression" but stop short at the hammer and sickle? Anarchist cop/military imagery rooted in imperial horrors is A-O.K. but not the symbol of industral-agricultural unity?


[deleted]

Stomping on fascists is not oppression.


donotlearntocode

yes but in literally every context a boot like that is a symbol of oppression, you can't just co-opt that into your ideology and be like "it's good actually".


[deleted]

Boots are good, actually. They keep your feet warm in the winter and they’re good for working and fighting.


deathstrukk

fascists cannot be oppressed


donotlearntocode

that only makes my point -- the symbolism is inappropriate.


ActionunitesUs

Why? it represents unity between industrial(or urban) workers and agricultural(rural)workers just because communists came up with it doesnt mean the symbol is worthless when the point of anarchy is to unite the working class to established mutual aid networks and workers councils


[deleted]

That’s like arguing the confederate flag represents “states’ rights”. The hammer and sickle represents oppression and death for millions.


ActionunitesUs

Im not arguing the hammer and sickle was created and used by workers movements in russia 8 years before Bolsheviks took power and co opted the symbol. Plus in workers movements the hammer had been an established symbol since the Late 19th century, but was co opted by the Bolsheviks in 1926 or 28. To equate the hammer and sickle being co opted even though it was originally a workers symbol, to states rights doesnt track on any level for me. Sorry but "i want to keep my slaves/i want to make them slaves again" or "i want to ban abortions" is not equal to a symbol litterally made by everyday people in tsarist russia to symbolize "proletarian solidarity"


UnholyGoat_666

The Swastika originally represented well-being in many eastern religions. What’s is your point?


ActionunitesUs

Bruh this doesnt even deserve a responce, but it points in the other direction And is still used by those religions... And Why someone on here always Trying to act like nazi Germany and the ussr where exactly the same. That symbol was made by the masses used by both trade unions and the less heirarchaical factory Council's. Yes the Bolsheviks became counter revolutionary and suppressed the factory councils and boosted the trade unions. That as nothing to do with a symbol of the people by the people for the people. The Bolsheviks while pandering to the trade unions claimed the symbol. Why give up our symbols to authoritarians when it was the masses who made it and its the mass today who rally behind it.


UnholyGoat_666

> And Why someone on here always Trying to act like nazi Germany and the ussr where exactly the same. I don’t buy this bullshit. Not for a second. Comparisons aren’t meant to **assert that two examples are the exact same in every way whatsoever.** If that were the case, then every Leftist that has ever compared the Confederate Flag to the Swastika would be saying that Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee are responsible for systematically slaughtering 6 million Jews. But if every Lost Causer always refuted that comparison by saying *welll technically they’re not the same* wouldn’t that be beyond irritating to engage with? It’s called [Reductio Ad Absurdum.](https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Reductio-ad-Absurdum) Let’s try this again: >~~That symbol~~ The Eastern Swastika was made by the ~~masses~~ many different devout pious people who lived in the east and was used by both ~~trade unions and the less heirarchaical factory Council's~~ Buddhists and Hindus that were both very peaceful people. Yes the ~~Bolsheviks~~ Nazis became ~~counter revolutionary~~ genocidal and suppressed ~~the factory councils~~ minorities and ~~boosted the trade unions~~ slaughtered many Leftists as well. That has nothing to do with a symbol of the ~~people by the people for the people~~ religion by the religion and for the religion. The ~~Bolsheviks~~ Nazis while pandering to the ~~trade unions~~ people of Germany that believed they came from many different areas of the world, where this insignia was used in, claimed the symbol. Why give up our symbols to authoritarians when it was the ~~masses~~ devout polytheistic people of the eastern globe who made it and its the ~~mass~~ devout polytheistic people of the east today who rally behind it. Let me know if you think this incredibly stupid justification actually holds up. The fact that there are people in this subreddit that have the nerve to defend a symbol that more anarchists died under than they ever did any other is a decent justification for any self respecting anti-state leftist to puke their guts out.


DankSauceBauce

I step on snek


Lewdlass0506

Made the snakes look too sad, as someone who cares for the real animals it makes me feel :(


LowPolySkinSuit

i like this! 😌


paukl1

Okay so I've always wondered about the imagery here. You knowww 'being the boot' and all. Idk is it too much to ask that art works on multiple levels. Feels like it kind of wraps all the way around to like sovereign citizen or whatever. Cool basic message though. Might become relevant later.


Rogvir1

The Laces shouldn't be white.


SentinelX-01

I need this as a patch.


MOOShoooooo

They see me treading They fleeing Tryna catch me smashin righties


Retr0_b0t

Anyone got an artist source?


Biggay556

Love this but black boots and white shoe laces are a fash symbol in germany