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RaisinStrawberry

Seriously? Sasha being Sasha again 😂😂😂


ascudder31

The way my jaw fucking dropped. I suspect it's not actually because of Mark but she was probably spending more time around this coaching staff and has been in talks about leaving Tutberidze since the OG. Probably partly to do with the scandal, how things went down in Beijing, and because she's starting to show signs of the classic "expiration date" injuries. She may not have even gone back to Tutberidze in 2021 if that weren't the only way she'd qualify for the games. Honestly, good for her.


Pure_Pay9323

Yes I agree. She simply cannot train the same way she was before the injury. Like Zagitova, everybody deserves to have a life outside figure skating e.g. going to university, dating and having a different career. The workload at team tut just is not going to work with her current situation. Let’s face it. We all know none of the girls (Kamila, Anna and Sasha) will be able to Olympic 2026 again. It is the same situation with Zagitova and Medvedeva. The next thing we know that I predict is Anna announcing she is taking a break to focus on her studies at University after this season. 😞 History repeats itself.


xodagny

Not even the girls who are peaking now have a chance to join the Olympic team. See: Kostornaia.


eris-atuin

yeah the ones who just turned senior will likely be too old by then


skatelenok

Also Sasha doesn’t actually have that many options. Like the major Russian coaches who have the backing/resources to potentially take an athlete of her level are 1. Eteri - who Sasha is actively leaving 2. Mishin - would have to move to St Petersburg (is Sasha willing to do that) also would Mishin take a skater that is a threat to Liza? 3. Plushenko - could be a good option as Sasha seemed to enjoy her time there previously, is still very close and friendly with AOP coaches and skaters, plus she still has professional connections with him through shows. Also from what we have seen Plushenko seems to take injuries relatively seriously (would probably agree if not insist on a reduced intensity training plan) BUT potentially embarrassing to go back to the same coach she just left - is she concerned her scores might tank again?* Especially important given the mainly domestic season. *worth noting that Muravieva has score very well domestically under Plushenko but she is also a very strong PCS skater. 4. CSKA - traditionally has the political sway to get their athletes top scores domestically -look at Samarin and Kondratyuk (true recently this is more evident on the men’s than on the women’s side since 2018/2019) Options would be a) Buyanova, b) Sokolovskaya, or c) Davydov). a) Buyanova would traditionally be the top coach in CSKA and she is by the far the most experienced in coaching ladies. She had Adelina as a multiple time national champion + regardless of feelings about what happened scorewise AT Sochi Buyanova still got Adelina onto the Sochi team AND timed her training to peak and skate pretty much clean at the Olympic Games. Also ngl even if you do think Buyanova was involved in chatting with judges to help make sure Adelina was scores very well for what she put out that night in the FS - it’s not like Sasha doesn’t also potentially need the judges to score the ss, pe, and composition of her programs as generously as possible. Also in 2018 she managed to get Sotskova onto the Olympic team. However since 2018 her group has declined a lot! Danielian was a jr world medalist in 2018 and a senior European silver medalist in 2020 but he struggled with injuries. Additionally Buyanova herself apparently has a number of health issues (probably linked to her juvenile arthritis) and has struggled to coach consistently which has lead to number of athletes leaving her. In addition there is the problem of Alena. We know that last time Sasha left Eteri she definitely did NOT want to share ice with Alena. In this case Buyanova is already committed to Alena and seems very fond of her. So does Sasha want to share a coach with Alena AND does Buyanova want to accept Sasha. Also Buyanova’s skaters that she really invests in tend to have a general profile (can talk about this more if people are interested) and Sasha doesn’t fit this profile at all. b) Sokolovskaya - Sasha is pretty familiar with Sokolovskaya and her coaching methods. We know she has been attending some of Sokolovskaya’s sessions to watch Mark + presumably she has been able to talk to Mark about what training in Sokolovskaya’s group entails. From what we have seen Sokolovskaya does seem to be one of the more sympathetic coaches to a skaters injuries and is willing to have skaters on different training plans (I.e Sotskova post 2018 Olympics wanted to be 50:50 on school and training - Buyanova said no but Sokolovskaya was willing to adapt and work with her). Also reportedly Sokolovskaya (a bit like Rukavitsyn) is one of the less intense coaches in Russia - famous ‘I like that Mark is lazy quote’. Problem would be that Sokolovskaya is admittedly inexperienced when it comes to coaching women - the Sotskova experiment was ultimately a failure (though I wouldn’t 100% blame Sokolovskaya for that). She does have Samodelkina and Kulikova now though so Sasha will at least not be her only female athlete. Also positive- Sokolovskaya’s skaters (Kondratyuk and Samarin) have been getting very good scores from the Russian domestic judges and very generous PCS for a long time. Which is something Sasha will need when she loses the Eteri Bonus. c) Davydov - positives would be that he has a large group and is experienced in training quads and triple axels with female skaters. Negatives would be that he is allegedly at least as intense in terms of repetition and workload as Eteri (something Sasha is allegedly leaving Eteri due to). Plus he has never had an athlete achieve senior success - they either leave him when they start growing or get injured and retire. Just going through skaters who skated on the JGP with him : Tarusina (with Davydov since Novice, retired at 16),Vasilieva (moved to him aged 14/15, JGPF at 15/16, injured and swapped to pairs aged 16/17), Frolova (moved to him at 14, last seen a year ago at test skated - aged 16 - before disappearing due to injury), Tsibinova (moved to him at 15/16, Russian Cup series in senior during covid year at 16-17, disappeared at the end of that season and is allegedly in pairs now (hasn’t been seen anywhere official), Berestovskaya (with Davydov since novice, has dealt with back injuries for multiple years, trained 4T with him for multiple years, tried to leave Davydov at 13, was rejected by Eteri (allegedly in part due to pre-existing injuries) + went back to Davydov, continued to train 4T. Disappeared at the end of the season due to back injured again. Current status is unknown/recovering?), Samodelkina (with Davydov since novice, training 3A and multiple 4s, injured at 14/15, jumps quads at Channel 1 Cup despite injuries and makes them worse, swaps coach at 15 to Sokolovskaya), Kulikova (moves to Davydov at 12? leaves Davydov at 14 for unspecified reasons, moves to Sokolovskaya, Sokolovskaya reveals that when Kulikova first came to her the doctors banned her from any training due to unspecified but serious medical reasons.) Btw all these moves and retirements happened between the off-season after the 2018 Olympics and the off-season after the 2022 Olympics. Also he has the least political push and weight of the three CSKA coaches (because he has no successful seniors). 5. Rukavitsyn - would be a wildcard option and would definitely accept Sasha BUT again would require moving city to St Petersburg. Has a better competitive track record with women than Sokolovskaya and is allegedly similar methodically to Sokolovskaya - they often do combined camps together. However he also has recent bullying allegations against him from Nugumanova and his skaters don’t tend to get huge amounts of PCS candy the way certain others do. To me only 3. Plushenko and 4.b) Sokolovskaya are real options for Sasha. Maybe Mishin or Buyanova in theory but again I think there is no guarantee either of them would actually accept her. Both of them are old and established enough that it’s not an automatic benefit + they may have other priorities. And again neither of them are really ideal from Sasha’s perspective either. Davydov and Rukavitsyn are pretty much non starters also. The only reason to choose Davydov would be in you actively wanted an Eteri level workload (which Sasha doesn’t) and Rukavitsyn has the same St Petersburg disadvantage as Mishin without actually being Mishin (and if you like Rukavitsyn’s coaching approach - then Sokolovskaya will give you the same whilst being in Moscow and getting you better PCS score)


wisusececss

This was super interesting, thanks for laying it all out!


Kind_Emphasis2717

Hi, thank you for educating us. Could you please elaborate on Buyanova's profile? I only have watched Sotnikova and have generally thought her public persona a bit generic and unadventurous. I liked her packaging at Sochi with those skinny straps and minimalistic dresses. Still, her exhibition at the gala must have gone down in history as one of the most spectacular visual catastrophes on ice. I think the secret agents of RusFed wiped its footage off the internet to preserve peace in the community.


Asunayuukieuw

Im interested about buyanovas skaters profile


Sarascorpioqueen

Wow Ima need to save your comment to read it! Thanks for explaining


anonymous_and_

Yes this


snowwangels

An Eteri-coached Olympic silver medalist switching coaches? Sounds familiar…


Andro_Rei

Also has back injury


Usual_Court_8859

I have a feeling Trusova has one, maybe two more seasons in her.


Extreme-Progress8379

At most. I so agree with you!


etteilujeellaval

To be honest, had it not been for the upcoming olympic cycle; I believe Trusova would have stayed with Plushenko but she probably didn’t believe she could get the work done at Plushenko in time for the olys. Therefore, since the Olympics are over, I’m not surprised she wants to change. That said, I don’t know if choosing that coach is really the best option for her. I truly hope she isnt doing it because of Mark; but she’s also a focused athlete and I think that if she doesn’t see results, she’ll change again or go back to Eteri. Also not to mention the whole Olympic debacle, and the doping investigation probably hitting down on Eteri…


Zealousideal_Menu734

While I think it's always good to see skaters leaving Eteri, I'm uncomfortable with the fact that Sokolovskaya's group seem to have links with the military and Sokolovskaya herself is a Putin fangirl. In terms of skating, she is the coach of both Samarin and Mark and neither of them have reliable jumps nor good technique…


mediocre-spice

CSKA has military connections in general (at one point was funded by the military, not sure about now?), but I'm not sure Sokolovskaya has any more than anyone else. Sasha has never said anything anti war or more liberal minded in anyway though.


skatelenok

I know Sokolovskaya is relatively popular here because she seems to be one of the more humane russian coaches but she has actually been one of the most pro-war of the current active russian coaches (Plushenko is the other). She has given an interview gushing about meeting General Shogiu when he came to CSKA and described getting to meet Putin as being like a fairytale. She also posted multiple photos of herself with Shogiu and gushed about how Mark was inspired to do his part (ie war propaganda). And it’s not just her fulfilling obligations to CSKA. Neither did of the other two main coaches with large groups at CSKA (Buyanova and Davydov) said anything at all publicly about Shogiu’s visit/didn’t take photos with him for Instagram etc. I don’t know if Sokolovskaya’s attitude is entirely genuine or if it’s part of a political move to try and get more favour within CSKA by have the military connections on her side. - Buyanova has traditionally been the most important/supported coach there due to her connections with the sports elite but that began to shift with the decline of Buyanova group + Daniellian’s injuries and the rise of Mark means that Sokolovskaya is now at least equal to Buyanova and potentially vying for the top spot on the hierarchy within CSKA. Tbh I don’t really care either way - if she genuinely believes everything she’s saying or if she is just playing the game in order to get favours. She is still spreading incredibly pro-war narratives and has no problems or moral issues with the invasion of Ukraine. It’s similar to Plushenko - does he really mean/believe every thing he is saying or is he going for political favours - doesn’t matter he is still saying it. Source for Sokolovskaya’s comments is here : https://fs-gossips.com/when-we-met-with-defense-minister-shoigu-i-couldnt-breathe-from-this-insane-energy-i-asked-mark-do-you-understand-now-where-we-skate-and-what-is-the-cska-club-svetlana-sokolovskaya-kondra/


mediocre-spice

I'm not a fan of Sokolovskaya, I just think it's pretty likely the others have similar views but are just not in the media as much. I wouldn't be surprised if Sasha is either apathetic towards it or pro war.


JalalKarimov

Mark was actually pretty consistent last season aside from the Olympics


roionsteroids

A lot of countries "disguise" sports funding under some part of their armed forces (army, police, border), with the expectation that the athletes do some basic military training in the off-season some time, put on their uniform for some pictures every now and then, and focus on their sport otherwise. That's the case for basically every German Olympian in any sport that isn't super popular. Like, look at Ruben and Alisa at the Lombardia Trophy last week: https://i.imgur.com/5jNh0Ge.png - see that nice Bundeswehr logo? Thanks for defending my freedom at the rink guys :P Rather unfortunate timing to technically be part of the Russian armed forces in any way currently though.


tatianalarina1

Right, Alona Savchenko and Robin (and also Bruno?) were also supported by Bundeswehra and were called in German Sportsoldaten (sport soldiers). And Nicola della Monaca and Matteo were sponsored by Italian police, if I remember correctly.


Lena0001

Della Monica and Guarise weren't, but all the other athletes of the national team at Pyeongchang were members of the athletes division of the various police forces. Like Marchei was in the aviation one, Kostner should be still in the penitentiary one.


MargaretheIsFab

Italy does the same thing, I think it was with the police department. Guignard/Fabbri used to always point to the patches on their jackets.


SoldierHawk

Hell, even the US does this. Every branch has a special program for elite soldier-athletes. It always gets pushed super big around Olympics time, but it's always there.


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ConnectFisherman9982

I think the saying is “don’t shit where you eat”


trueinsideedge

Sokolovskaya has also said herself that she doesn’t really know how to coach women as well as she does men when Samodelkina switched to her. I really hope Sasha is doing this for the right reasons and not to be with Mark. If it was me I would have wanted her to go back to Plushenko, she really did improve under him.


Most_Company_8634

She went back to Eteri for a chance to get to the Olympics, she did make it, but without a Gold medal she has no loyalties to Team Tutberizse. It’s not surprising she’s leaving, but definitely though she would go back to Plushenko. Eteri probably has no use for her anymore, it’s also clear that Kamila is losing her use and will most likely be banned from the sport and just do skating shows if she even gets the choice. Eteri is a curse on all these girls, I can’t imagine the injuries they all have and the ones they’re forcing on the next batch of skaters.


caro1821

Gonna start my own comment thread for my translations so I don't pester the person I was posting under. Here's what I have so far. All from sports . ru ​ Russian figure skater Alexandra Trusova left Eteri Tutberidze’s group.As announced by R-Sport through a source with a close link to the situation, the 18-year-old athlete will now be training with Svetlana Sokolovskaia.Trusova competes in singles skating. She is the silver medalist for the 2022 Olympics in Beijing and the bronze medalist for Worlds in 2021 in Stockholm.The skater was under the direction of Tutberidze from 2016 to 2020, after which she moved to the academy of Evgenii Plushenko. In 2021 she returned to Tutberidze. ​ ​ Distinguished coach from the USSR, Tatyana Tarasova, commented on the information about the exit of figure skater Alexandra Trusova from Eteri Tutberidze’s group.As stated by the publication R-Sport, Trusova will now train with Svetlana Sokolovskaia.“I don’t understand the decision in question. She went where Kondratiuk is. After Tutberidze, Sokolovksaia will not be able to help her in any way.” R-Sport quoted Tarasova as saying.- She moved to the boy with whom she is friends- Then it’s all because of (form of "because" of that holds a negative implication) Kondriatuk?- Of course. I think so.- Can she benefit from working in another group?- I just know that Eteri Georgievna is an outstanding coach. And we will see what will be, what will happen further, we don’t need to speculateSaid Tarasova to Match TV., Yagudin doesn’t have anything to say - people move coaches. Laishev says that he "doesn’t agree with the move - it’s not going to give her anything new. She already left once and returned. You won’t find a better coach than Eteri" R-Sport says that "Trusova was put on very heavy/strict training regime in Tutberidze's group and because of that (again, the form that holds a negative connotation "iz-za"), in her opinion, her injury escalated."


caro1821

Kostornaia: "the decision is unexpected and not completely understood. But in any case, I wish Sasha luck in her new group/team/collective" (collective is the most literal word)


wisusececss

My, are they trying to get everyone on the phone? I imagine most of the others won't commentate...


caro1821

yeah nothing has been posted in like 30 minutes on sports . ru


MargaretheIsFab

And this surprises you why? 😂


wisusececss

Well, I wouldn't have thought the media had Kosto's personal number, for a start. Unless it went through someone else, but I'm not sure who that would be. You don't normally see active skaters commentate like this, especially so fast after something happened...


Chili_Tablecloth

“Yagudin doesn’t have anything to say” - a sentence I never thought I would read 😂


caro1821

to be fair he did make a few comments, like that he didn’t quite get it, but skaters move coaches


caro1821

Butyrskaia: If it’s true, then I personally don’t understand when you leave your coach, who gave you the highest results. It’s most interesting that she’s already tried this once, it didn’t work out, and she returned there. Honestly, as an athlete, I don’t understand. It’s a strange step from Trusova. I believe that when she had a situation and moved to Plushenko. She already left and came back one time and understand that it wasn’t what she needed and she needed to return to the other. Athletes have these kinds of periods, when they need to change, it must be an emotional upsurge. (hard to translate this one) But an okay (like stable in this context maybe?) athlete won’t have this happen so often, this is thought out and leads to very good results. But when you go from one to another and back, and then again, I don’t understand. Let it work out, try it again - and then, probably, she’ll come back to the original.


Milkins6694

I’m gonna need a Russian FS reality TV show to keep up with everything at this point


roionsteroids

Aren't you glad that the first and least important event of the season is past us already? Buckle up!


jnikonorova

Probably dumb question but does she get to keep the programs? Or does she have to get permission from Eteri and team to use them?


Albinosmurfine

I don't know really how that works at the Tutberidze Camp but generally if the skater paid the choreographer/coach to do the program(s), they would be able to keep it regardless. I assume hers were done by Dani G ( not sure because i did not watch Test Skates) and in that case I am not sure if their skaters pay extra for choreo or if its included in general training costs. Maybe they will ask her to pay a fee if she wants to keep them. Not sure if they can really ban her from performing them though. Back when Aliona switched to AoP she already had programs done and did not keep them, but its unclear if thats because she didn't want to or because she wasn't allowed.


jnikonorova

That is all very true. I hope Sasha keeps her Short program. I thought it was good at this point of the season, and considering the injury. I feel like this whole story is not done yet. Haha. There will always be more drama in Russian figure skating with team Eteri.


cloudylemo

If we’re all speculating, I’ll throw in that it’s to do with mark skating there 😂


ginsengtea3

Honestly, I think it's as much that as anything else. How much free time do these athletes get to do things like see people outside of the rink? It doesn't surprise me in the least that she's leaving Eteri again now that the olympics are over, and in a throwaway season like this one is for the russians, one coach may seem about as good as the next, so why not enjoy youth at least a little? Now if they break up, then at that point I guess I'll have to get the popcorn. But right now, nah.


Sh1raz51

I know teenagers break up every day for the most minor of reasons, but it seems like they’ve probably been together since March - it’s quite likely now it could be longer term. I know lots of couples who stayed together all throughout University - up to 4 years, despite never being in relationships before.


Sh1raz51

She’s had good opportunities to observe Mark’s coaching team also and contrast to where she is. Maybe that’s part of it as well


WabbadaWat

Is Sokolovskaya the one who taught Mark to jump like that? If so I hope trusova has stolen another jump technician from team tut to go with her.


forwardaboveallelse

She is eighteen years old (late to be shifting technique at all) and actually has very solid technique, all things considered…it’s her skating skills and choreography that need work.


borntobememe

>The silver medalist of the 2022 Olympic Games in Beijing, **Russian figure skater Alexandra Trusova, will discuss the transition from coach Eteri Tutberidze to Svetlana Sokolovskaya with the leadership of the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) on Monday,** a source close to the situation told RIA Novosti. So it will depends on what RusFed say about this.


89Rae

>So it will depends on what RusFed say about this. They were the ones that reportedly shutdown Yulia Lipnitskaia leaving the first time she wanted to leave. But I'm not sure why they would want to hold it up, if it works out great if it doesn't they have plenty of other skaters ready to take Trusova's spot.


Howtothnkofusername

the way my jaw dropped


cloudylemo

My jaw is just permanently open at this point


midnightphoton

someone call me a surgeon, my jaw is on the floor i need help


Jumping__Bean___

Honestly, is it bad that I started laughing hysterically after reading this? Somehow this whole situation is hilarious to me.


vlauve

i wonder if last injury was the last straw?


smallslegs

it’s been reported that she left because “the intense training is causing her injuries to worsen”. good for her, i’m glad she knows her limits


millyxd

This makes sense and good for her! After the olympics she has said numerous times that now she doesn’t have a specific goal and she just wants to skate for her fans and for herself. She doesn’t ’need to’ suffer with injuries and try to skate with them because Russians can’t participate in international competitions etc.


smallslegs

maybe now she could potentially have a longer career and not retire at 18 like majority of eteri’s skaters. i’m glad that she now feels like she can have fun skating (she looked very happy and smiley during her warm up at test skates) and not have to worry about winning and landing a set number of quads. she’s 18 now and has clearly changed for the better :))


millyxd

Yes, she looked happy. Have to remember that she was with Eteri then. This and the timing of the coach change makes me feel if something has happened after the test skates. Did they force her to skate with an injured back and she refused and decided to leave? Well, we don’t know but knowing Eteri it’s possible.


misterflyer

https://fs-gossips.com/daniil-gleikhengauz-trusova-has-a-small-back-injury-we-were-ready-to-withdraw-her-from-the-test-skates-but-sasha-herself-expressed-a-desire-to-skate-at-least-a-short-for-the-sake-of-the-fans/


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eris-atuin

akateva, petrosyan, valieva? so basically the younger less injured ones. same old cycle


Usual_Court_8859

I’d say that, and she’s not getting as much attention as Eteri’s other skaters.


Requiem_13

This give me 2020 vibes lmao


OwlCatPoptart

It looks like it was posted on sports.ru.


h6xx

TASS also posted it, so it’s likely legit.


EnvironmentProof6104

One thing checked off the bingo card!!


EnvironmentProof6104

Didn't expect it to be to Sokolovskaya though although I'm not mad about it. I guess it makes sense since Mark trains there.


supernovaeimplosion

I love trusova, she's so chaotic


borntobememe

>**Kostornaya on Trusova's transition**: ***The decision is unexpected, not entirely clear*** Even Kosto don't understand Sasha


mediocre-spice

Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if Aliona has some idea of what happened but is just being classy and not sharing publicly


Altruistic-Chapter2

They don't probably talk much anyway.


pipler

🍿 Never a boring day with these folks.


stressedgeologist22

WHAT???? I have no idea how to feel about this. I hoped she would leave Eteri of course, but Sokolovskaya would pretty much be at the bottom of my list for new coaches for her. Despite his Putin butt-kissing, part of me feels like Plushenko would be the best option for her. This is wild. Could Russian FS get any more chaotic? I just want the best for her, I hope this lets her have a happier and longer career.


indpendentlovesong

I wonder if that's her point of no return with Eteri? Or will she have an on and off relationship for the rest of her skating career.


wisusececss

😲😱😂😂😂😭😭😭


user20013

Whattt do you have a source?


Jumping__Bean___

[https://www.sports](https://www.sports) . ru/figure-skating/1112239582-aleksandra-trusova-pokinula-gruppu-eteri-tutberidze-r-sport.html (You just have to remove the spaces around the dot)


caro1821

here's my translation of the article! Russian figure skater Alexandra Trusova left Eteri Tutberidze’s group. As announced by R-Sport through a source with a close link to the situation, the 18-year-old athlete will now be training with Svetlana Sokolovskaia. Trusova competes in singles skating. She is the silver medalist for the 2022 Olympics in Beijing and the bronze medalist for Worlds in 2021 in Stockholm. The skater was under the direction of Tutberidze from 2016 to 2020, after which she moved to the academy of Evgenii Plushenko. In 2021 she returned to Tutberidze.


caro1821

Another sports . ru update ​ Distinguished coach from the USSR, Tatyana Tarasova, commented on the information about the exit of figure skater Alexandra Trusova from Eteri Tutberidze’s group. As stated by the publication R-Sport, Trusova will now train with Svetlana Sokolovskaia. “I don’t understand the decision in question. She went where Kondratiuk is. After Tutberidze, Sokolovksaia will not be able to help her in any way.” R-Sport quoted Tarasova as saying. \- She moved to the boy with whom she is friends \- Then it’s all because of (form of "because" of that holds a negative implication) Kondriatuk? \- Of course. I think so. \- Can she benefit from working in another group? \- I just know that Eteri Georgina is an outstanding coach. And we will see what will be, what will happen further, we don’t need to speculate Said Tarasova to Match TV.


ascudder31

I mean we all know that Tarasova is up Tutberidze's ass so of course she'll condemn anyone for leaving her regardless of the reason.


caro1821

oh absolutely. I was translating an article about something else in FS the other day and had to stop and ask my friend if Tarasova ever shuts her mouth


caro1821

I'm not gonna do more full translations but I can give the gist of what's being said on sports . ru. as of right now, Yagudin doesn’t have anything to say - people move coaches. Laishev says that he "doesn’t agree with the move - it’s not going to give her anything new. She already left once and returned. You won’t find a better coach than Eteri" R-Sport says that "Trusova was put on very heavy/strict training regime in Tutberidze's group and because of that (again, the form that holds a negative connotation "iz-za"), in her opinion, her injury escalated"


Fancy_Figure_1803

I think the issue is she does not want to train in a serious way any more. She is burned out and done. And yes, she loves Mark.


misterflyer

IMO she didn't look burned out and done at test skates. Obviously she was hindered by her back problem at test skates. But she genuinely looked like she was having fun and enjoying her ice time. Plus we have to remember that she competed at the Olympics on somewhat of a lingering stress fracture. So I really think this has a lot to do with her wanting to heal. And she just doesn't think she'll ever heal under Eteri. We also have to remember that there are a new crop of Eteri girls coming up who are definitely going to steal away some of the attention that Trusova was getting. So dealing with injuries and attention shifting to the younger Eteri girls is probably just a dead end for her career in her mind. Plus I'd bet that CSKA offered her a sweet deal, where she gets to be more of the star there. That way she can use her fame and celebrity to attract more younger skaters to jump onboard the CSKA train. I'm sure being closer to Mark seals the deal. But even without Mark, it still would've made a lot of sense to move on from Eteri given all of these crazy circumstances.


millyxd

Lol after the olympics I predicted that Sasha will change coach, Anna will retire and Kamila will stay with Eteri no matter what.


misterflyer

Not really sold on Anna retiring. She did a bunch of ice shows this summer. She got her knee fixed so that she can 'train closer to her potential.' And she continues to post skating videos each week. As far as I can tell, she still seems to be in love with the sport. Plus if Kamila gets banned then Eteri may NEED Anna. And Russia may even NEED her too since they have so much bad publicity. If Russia ever wants to compete again internationally, her talent and charming image would definitely help a lot!


ascudder31

I don't think Kamila and Anna are her only options. As far as international standing at the current time, sure. But Tutberidze has new girls now like Petrosian and Akatieva who she's priming for the next olympic games.


misterflyer

Wasn't arguing that they were the only options. My argument is that Anna is the best option *(for the time being)*.. given her talent, her long track record of winning big competitions, her mental strength, and her clean image *(eg, especially in front of the press)*. Petrosian and Akatieva are gonna be great. But they aren't quite as experienced and as tested as Anna is. Plus the next Olympics is a long way away. And there hasn't been any good news out of Russia since Anna won the Olympics. She also won the C1 cup which ppl often overlook. I'd also say that Anna is the best person to keep around to lead the next generation of girls *(instead of leaving them to figure things out for themselves)*.


mediocre-spice

Anna is her only option guaranteed GP assignments, since she can use the comeback rule.


89Rae

>Plus if Kamila gets banned then Eteri may NEED Anna. And Russia may even NEED her too since they have so much bad publicity. If Russia ever wants to compete again internationally, her talent and charming image would definitely help a lot! Russia is probably extremely invested in Anna continuing skating, once they are let back onto the international stage she'll have the ability to use the champion's comeback rule to get 2 GP assignments. Kamila won't have that option, neither will the girls that just turned senior this year.


mediocre-spice

I think it's medalists? In that case Liza & Sasha will have it as well


eris-atuin

yeah but neither are tut skaters any more


mediocre-spice

Yeah, but this was talking about Russia in general


Sh1raz51

And Akatieva isn’t senior internationally for years due to the age change rule


89Rae

>And Akatieva isn’t senior internationally for years due to the age change rule She might go down as the unluckiest skater ever - her junior career has been hampered by covid, she's stuck in this perpetual just a few days too young to meet the staggered increase of senior eligibility and her country is banned for an undetermined amount of time


Ottawa_points

What rule is that


89Rae

>What rule is that [Page 3 ISU Document](https://www.isu.org/docman-documents-links/isu-files/event-documents/figure-skating-4/2021-22/grand-prix-2/series-files-40/25995-isu-grand-prix-general-announcement-2021-22/file) >“Come-Back” Skaters/Couples: Skaters/Couples who were previously seeded (placed 1 to 6 within the past 10 years at a ISU World Figure Skating Championships) and subsequently did not participate in one or more competitive seasons will be given priority consideration to re-enter the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating for selection of up to 2 assignments if they commit in writing to participating in two ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and if such return is announced and confirmed by the date of the annual Selection Meeting. Such so called “Come Back Skaters/Couples” will not substitute any of the Seeded Skaters/Couples, mentioned under a). “Come Back Skaters/Couples” must not fulfil the requirements of the minimum Grand Prix score and would be considered for selection as an Organizing ISU Member Choice. A come back under this clause is allowed only once in their competitive career for any Skater/Couple.


misterflyer

Yep great point!


millyxd

This is only speculation. I hope Anna will continue skating if she wants to but she has achieved so many titles that I’m not surprised if she’ll retire from competitive figure skating.


misterflyer

Yeah I know it's just speculation. I'm hoping she does at least 1 or 2 more seasons. I can't see her competing much more beyond that. She's said she wants to become a coach some day. So I guess she won't completely disappear from the sport even if she retires. Maybe the next r/FigureSkating headline will be.. ***"Plushenko leaves himself to be trained by Shcherbakova"***


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Sh1raz51

Anna looks much healthier though (it’s hardly a “lot of weight”) and she had beautiful triples during her show. Whether or not she will regain quads with her previous technique which did rely on her being very light is questionable, but she is way more experienced in big international competition than Petrosyan (Akatieva is skating in seniors domestically but she is years away from being a senior internationally due to the age change rule) - my money’s on Anna for a long time yet.


wastinglee

Aside from the injuries, the love relationship, or the rumored doping punishment of team ... Some ppl commented as if the previous Plushenko move was a total failure, which was obviously incorrect, everybody can witness Sasha's improvements on skating skills and emotional expression, let alone well-choreographed programs with originality! (Personally on the side believing that were it not for the Oly spot, Sasha would not have returned to Tut Will always stay positive if a matured athlete initially chooses to experience different training techniques and choreography. Given that Sasha had constantly watched trainings of Team Sokolovskaya after Oly, believe that she had considered many things aspects, n will deal with upcoming things well enough, especially as a skater who switched multiple times and still get along well with all previous couches! Not many had accomplished that. Only that CSKA belongs to the army and im slightly worried if Sasha may need to attend ceremonies she is not really willing to... hope not of course, but Mark did attend a few after Oly and personally i don't think he do have choices. (But anyways, AoP is held by a huge pro-Put*n and pro-war man so there's less differences in clubs... and almost all ice show holders are pro-government, so as long as skaters are Russian, they will have connections... And for techniques, ugly landings r way better than the body-harming prerotations IMO


happy_mammoth_24

I just saw that the reason is that she leaves Eteri because of the training who is too harsh and make her injuries worse. If it's real... Good for you Sasha !


Sh1raz51

But meanwhile she is being crucified as being overweight and lazy in the comments on Sports Ru. Some are saying she’s not even injured, it’s just an excuse. Honestly - Russia doesn’t deserve her.


DarkMatterPhysicist

That's so disgusting. How can people say she is overweight? She has the healthy and muscular body of a woman! Is Kaori overweight? Or Josefin? Holy shit, these folks make me angry. I hope the comments don't affect Sasha too much.


Sh1raz51

I should know better than to read the comments. It’s a cesspit. They just love to ridicule, criticise, mock and shame their skaters (not just Sasha, but this was particularly vile). She has an amazing athletic physique and I hope she proves them all wrong (but more importantly I hope she heals, is allowed to skate the way she wants, and is happier in her new place) And the best thing is she’ll get new choreographers. No more Danni G 😂


brokenleftjoycon

I’m surprised she’s still skating at all based on her post-Beijing interviews.


Additional-Elk7791

Sasha is really unpredictable


wisusececss

Such a risky move, what if she breaks up with Mark?! I can't stand Eteri, but I think it would have been safer for her to stay there.


hifrom2

something tells me that sasha isn’t only joining bc she’s pulled by mark lol


wisusececss

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that it would make for a very awkward workplace...


WabbadaWat

90% of ice dancers have figured out a way to deal with it, hopefully she can too


mediocre-spice

She wouldn't be the first 18 year old to make a life decision based on their boyfriend/girlfriend at the time 🤷‍♀️ You live and you learn


thisthatbothnone

Is this good? Are we happy?


clemonysnicket

It's kind of meh 🤷🏻‍♀️ Based on domestic assignments, it seems like Sasha plans to keep competing, at least for now, but I'm not sure what her long term plans are. Politically, this isn't beneficial to her, but physically, it probably is. Sounds like she's leaving because the volume of training Eteri requires is exacerbating her existing injuries. The jump technique Sokolovskaya teaches isn't great, but the skaters who come to her when they're older seem fine.


misterflyer

*I just wish it didn't have to be this way.* Contrary to popular opinion, I admire extremely competitive sports environments. I've competed within them myself *(at the collegiate level)*. And I've also coached some extremely competitive youth boys and youth girls sports teams. I feel like I've witnessed the saying.. *"A rising tide lifts all boats"* so many times. Everyone in my training groups improved as an athlete *(a good handful reached NCAA DI level)*. And they had quite a lot of fun in the process *(even tho I kept it ULTRA competitive)*. Most importantly, under my watch, NO ONE GOT INJURED. EVER! In training and in performing, I always erred on the side of caution. And I never sacrificed a kid's athletic health/career for ambition, gain, or my own personal ego. Part of me understands what Eteri is trying to do by fostering a competitive environment. I just think her execution of it has been pretty poor so far. Someone made a post the other day about Aliona's talent being squandered. And I followed up with a post illustrating that Aliona, Sasha, Anna, and Kamila should all be near their peak rn. And ppl nearly forget that Eteri girls went 1-2 at the Olympics.. and it's still considered by many to be a tragedy/failure lol


Fancy_Figure_1803

I knew this was coming, If Eteri released Aliona for injuries and weight gain, why would she hang on to a skater as notoriously difficult and stubborn as Sasha? Just like Aliona, I think Sasha is burned out and done. Eteri is probably going to lose Kamila in a few weeks, Daria and Maiia are not at the top of their game either....


Vanderwaals_

I hope that this has something to do with Eteri going to jail after RUSADA investigation and she is just running away from there.


hifrom2

maybe RUSFED is just sacrificing that whole eteri coaching team to get a shot at competing/getting respect internationally again idk


mediocre-spice

It would explain the weird timing after test skates.... fingers crossed?


forwardaboveallelse

It looks like weird timing if you are observing the situation in a vacuum but there are other mitigating factors, like the serious back injury that Trusova is wrangling and her age.


mediocre-spice

She has the back injury 3 months ago too and her age isn't exactly a surprise. I'm sure something must have changed that we don't know about, but it's definitely odd timing.


thisgirlbleedsblue

Wait Eteri's going to jail??? I'm so behind lol


Sh1raz51

We’re hoping. But probs won’t happen of course


Blahblahbecky

I mean whatever the reason, of which I'm sure there are multiple, I will forever celebrate hearing one of these girls leave Mother Gothel for another coach. To have the want to continue to skate, and to be away from that toxic cesspit.


ashna_panda3424

Is this real???


JetGlassCannon

I'm so glad she left Team Tut!


hifrom2

Is this where Aliona also is??


wisusececss

No, she's with Buyanova.


amaklp

No, it's where Kondratiuk, Samarin, and Samodelkina are.


Significant-Style-73

I thought Aliona is with Buianova.


hifrom2

oh sorry got it mixed uo


89Rae

Kostornaia is at CSKA.


Albinosmurfine

Sasha is also going to CSKA but a different team (Sokolovskaya) within the club, while Kostornaia trains under Buianova at CSKA.


trueinsideedge

Sokolovskaya also coaches at CSKA lol they’re just in different groups


mediocre-spice

Different groups at CSKA


thisgirlbleedsblue

Aliona is also at CSKA but under another coach (Buyanova). This is Mark K's and Sofia S's coach.


buffbebe

Do we think it’s at all possible that she was -kicked out- by Eteri, similar to Aliona, rather than that she left on her own accord?


EquivalentJacket7

Na


misterflyer

Idk after Sasha's Olympic tirade.. part of me thinks this was a little more Sasha's choice than Eteri's. With a Kamila on the verge of facing suspension *(plus we often forget that a lot of the other girls are recovering from injuries)* Eteri really needs every skater she can get. The way things are going she's gotta be pretty close to *'all hands on deck'* mode at her camp. And from what I remember even Kamila was partially hurt for test skates. After the Olympics, not even Eteri could've predicted that Petrosian and Akatieva would be their most reliable skaters at the start of this season.


Fancy_Figure_1803

yup. 100% and for all the same reasons. It is hard to dive back into intense training when nothing is at stake, and for the first time in your life you can enjoy your life. I think it was at least a mutual decision.


Fancy_Figure_1803

Not for nothing, but I really like Mark's coach. She is funny and down to earth. She also seems to have very little ego, and is gracious.


kwallet

I’m not super familiar with Russian coaching teams besides Eteri and Plushenko. Who is this and why is it a strange move?


Ottawa_points

Mark Kondratiuk's coach


Sh1raz51

She doesn’t normally coach girls, probably.


thisgirlbleedsblue

She also coaches Sofia Samodelkina


Sh1raz51

Yes - and she and Sasha seem to get along well so hopefully they will make good training partners. People commented when Samodelkina moved as well - that Sokolovskaya doesn’t have much success historically of coaching women. Could be about to change.


WintersGhostonfyre

YEEESSSSS


fliccolo

I have no idea what kind of reputation Marks coach has but it sounds much better than Tut (obviously) and Plushenko (obviously) whomever that ice dance coach who performed with her seemed like a fruitful and positive training person even though he was an Angel of plushy guy.


roionsteroids

Switching coaches in October rather than May doesn't make any sense at all.


misterflyer

I doubt she had a serious back injury back in May.


Unaatennista

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I wouldn’t like to get into it why she is leaving and to whom is she moving, my only question is why now? Why after the test skates? There is one thing with what I truly agree with the Tutberidze group, is that they put a lot of effort into Sasha in this season already, staged the programs etc. It should have been respected! Everybody is free to move wherever they feel better etc. but do it in the correct way! (Not to mentions the flawors..:) )


mediocre-spice

We have no idea what happened or who ended the working relationship, just that she's moving


Sh1raz51

We’ll probably never know, now that Code of Ethics has been released. I think Sasha probably wanted to leave Eteri immediately post Olympics (or maybe just quit altogether) but was talked out of it - by whoever has been carefully repairing her public image since then (her parents? and very likely Eteri herself, who had a vested interest in repairing her own reputation post Olympics scandal). Eteri & Sasha’s interactions at the ice shows & training videos snippets etc (such as they’ve been) seem a bit too curated. Anna and Sasha’s friendliness at the Tutberidze shows also looked a bit forced to me, especially when followed by the frosty distance since. In the meantime, Sasha’s been able to observe Sokolovskaya working with Mark and Sofia, and now she and Mark have been together a while, she likely feels secure that it’ll be a longer term thing (I know, teenagers, no way to predict) Something has clearly happened post test skates short program that brought it to a head - to do with the back injury obviously and the intense training exacerbating it - but they are ongoing issues that Sasha would be well aware of, something else has escalated this very suddenly. Maybe it was the pending doping scandal outcome, maybe it was some negative feedback from test skates judges, maybe it was Daniil’s describing the back injury as “slight” that set her off. Whatever it was, I hope she finds some peace and doesn’t feel like she needs to rush back into competition at the expense of her long term health.


mediocre-spice

That's all totally possible. There's just a thousand different scenarios that also make sense and we probably don't even know about most of the conflicts they had. I do think reading the new rules about coaches coordinating transfers that Sasha left rather than being dismissed.


elismatcha

I think it’s because Sasha said the volume of training they do with team tut is making her injuries worse, I just don’t understand why she’d pick sokolovskaya specifically aside from mark being there


JacquelineAbrakham

We’re not gonna see her winning titles again… Just like Kostornaia.


tiger________

Why not? :( I think she can still do it. But it depends on the state of her injury and whether she will give it time to heal.


JacquelineAbrakham

Because getting back to extensive trainings is hard. And Sokolovskaya is not a demanding coach (like Tut) and is not known for good technique (like Mishin). I don’t see Sasha going back to competition or competing successfully with younger girls.


Vanderwaals_

She wasn't winning titles with her


borntobememe

So, she just choose boyfriend over sport. Good for her, but why change coaches for this? She can simply declare that she end career and pursue her relations with Mark anyway.


Longjumping-Apple-41

I love the logical leap here. Go gurl. It's not like things over the last 2 seasons indicate to Team Tut not necessarily being the most comfortable place for Trusova, right?


or-sjr

Like it's well known that Team tut has a pretty abusive environment and there's the Beijing shitshow


mediocre-spice

She might not want to work with Eteri, et al anymore, doubly so if she's planning to retire and doesn't need the politicking bonus anymore Eteri also threw Aliona out for not skating through an injury, could be the same here


89Rae

>So, she just choose boyfriend over sport. Good for her, but why change coaches for this? She can simply declare that she end career and pursue her relations with Mark anyway. Because she possibly still wants to compete? And does anyone wonder if its not too much to do with her boyfriend that she's leaving Eteri....But because Anna's back to training? There's been rumors/speculation that things between them have been a bit frosty since the individual event, Maybe she doesn't want to be around Anna daily at training?


Albinosmurfine

I don't think she would leave because of a bad relationship with one other skater ( if it is even true because I personally don't think it is). But with Anna being back at training combined with Adelia&Sofia now in seniors too, maybe she feels like she is not getting the attention she needs.


smallslegs

why do people still think sasha and anna aren’t on good terms??? they talked to eachother a lot and seemed happy together during the team tut shows after beijing. i think sasha’s relationship with another skater is the last reason why she would leave eteri


89Rae

>why do people still think sasha and anna aren’t on good terms??? There was rumors that Sasha missed the last bus at Beijing because she didn't want to go back to the hotel because Anna was her roommate and she didn't want to be around her. In her first sit down interview post win while in Bejing in response to a question about Kamila/Sasha, Anna referenced that she hadn't spoke to Sasha yet but did talk to Kamlia and would keep their conversations private. Subsequently both Anna and Kamila have been pretty tight-lipped in response to questions about relationships between the girls. Now maybe its just coincidence but about a week after Anna returns to training at Sambo and Sasha is leaving apparently fairly out of the blue considering she's not even cleared this with the Fed yet...


smallslegs

i think there was definitely some issues with their relationship right after beijing but they honestly seem fine to me now. also it’s not like sasha hadn’t been training with anya everyday for months before she got her surgery. they all seem to be very private people that don’t like to publicly talk about their friendships


89Rae

>also it’s not like sasha hadn’t been training with anya everyday for months before she got her surgery I don't think they were particularly around each other much after the Team Tutbertize shows, Trusova was doing shows with Plushenko and Anna was doing shows with Averbukh, neither were at summer training camp very much.


Sh1raz51

Yes to all this - but they were training together prior to Anna’s surgery. Both were at the summer training camp. (Possibly not very much together as they both had extensive show commitments but it’s not like they’ve managed to avoid each other since February)


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ascudder31

First of all, Sasha can’t jump quads at this moment due to her back injury. She was jumping them earlier this season in practice and nothing has led us to believe she’s lost the ability to do so. Secondly, she’s an adult and still has an athletic body composition for an 18 year old. She wasn’t training heavily post-OG like she was pre- so of course she’s not going to look the same. Also, let’s just not talk about these girls’ bodies when we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. To add: Trusova has better jumping technique than Valieva, Petrosian, and Akatieva.


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smallslegs

sasha literally posted a vid of her jumping a quad lutz + 2A + SEQ last month… also she does have a free skate which we’ve seen small clips of


Sh1raz51

There’s video of her training the long program and training quads.


Albinosmurfine

"Akateva and Petrosian didn’t bulk up over the summer Sasha did. Can’t blame eteri for everything. They were disciplined Sasha wasn’t." Sasha is 18, gaining weight at age is a normal and healthy effect of puberty (btw she is still athletic and thin). It is ridiculous to compare her to Adelia & Sofia who are only 15. It has nothing to be with being disciplined. Unless they take hormon blockers or have a severe eating disorder, ALL girls will eventually experience this change im their bodies.