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This only gives Yhwach a multiversal hax if we use your scaling I scale Yhwach to universal+ by using the Soul King effecting the entire universe since we know the Balance of souls effects the entire Universe
Well while Yhwach has shown the ability of seeing near infinite possible futures and manipulate them to his will…this does not make him multiversal.
In order for a person to be rank as muitiveral they must show evidence of affecting entire alternate timelines or dimensions parallel to the universe itself. Which Yhwach has never shown doing and if anything has only shown avoiding the rule of cause and effect, by making the possible effect instantaneous with a thought.
Possible alternative futures that Yhwach could potentially pick in a matter similar to anyone else.
If Yhwach was truly muiltiversal then Yhwach wouldn’t just be limited to just manipulating his own single actions by picking one future event
at a time. He would be able to affect all of them simultaneously across space and each on a infinite universal scale.
Something of which is never shown or even stated in the manga when it comes to actual scale and attack potency.
you don't need to affect the timelines entirely to be scaled to multi+, if you can change the future from the infinite timelines it's already multi+, also, if you can manipulate more than 1001 alternate timelines, it's already an multiversal feat, he stated by himself he can change infinite timelines, making him multi+ by statements.
Actually one does need to affect it on that scale if one were to go by the Vs battle definition of Muilti+.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Tier_2-A
Have you actually seen the show? The top 4 espada and Tosen can destroy Las noches in res. Las noches is calculated to be the size of a large country.
Yamamoto can destroy the soul society making him planetary. Dangai Ichigo and Hogyoku Aizen are confirmed to be much stronger than him. Ichigo based on info from the LN should be solar system-galaxy level. Some even say uni.
Yhwach was going to destroy the garganta making him uni+. Gremmy created a universe or maybe just a galaxay. Kenpachi, based on his fight with Gremmy and info from the LN should be at least star level.
The ss and Jugram are confirmed to be above the base sternritter so they should all be multi-continental based on Bazz B's feat. Lille also said he was going to destroy the soul society.
No one in Bleach is ever destroying more than a city. Las Noches being country size has no evidence, Hueco Mundo is another dimension. Las Noches is a specific part of it like how the Seireitei is apart of Soul Society. The destroy Las Noches thing is a vague hype statement that makes no sense. There’s no feats EVEN from the great Ulquiorra implying he has that much AOE and Aizen is stronger than him yet his existence didn’t destroy the place. So what they most likely actually mean is just don’t wreck the place
Yamamoto can’t destroy a planet. They use soul society and Seireitei interchangeably. Byakuya telling Ichigo to save Soul Society even though only the Seireitei is being attacked. Ichigo to Yhwach I’m asking are you the ones who wrecked the Soul Society. When Yhwach speaks of reshaping the worlds it’s likely just through the ability as SK, not power. The most he covers is the Seireitei. Ichigo clearly cannot destroy more than multiple mountains. Even if x character did have high AOE you can’t say Ichigo is that level just because he damages or kills them. That’s not how gauging works. You gauge by how much they actually destroy and AOE isn’t even attack potency so it’s all irrelevant
Attack potency in Bleach is above space distortion (base Grimmjow’s gran rey cero distorted space) and when you get to FG Ichigo and Hogyoku Aizen (the only characters whose power can’t be perceived by others) it’s beyond time and space distortion as stated when Aizen does his full Black Coffin and Ichigo can slap that without taking any damage. Aizen then evolves and can hurt Ichigo
>No one in Bleach is ever destroying more than a city. Las Noches being country size has no evidence, Hueco Mundo is another dimension. Las Noches is a specific part of it like how the Seireitei is apart of Soul Society.
This isn't dragon ball. There isn't an abundance of planets and stars for characters to blow up. Obviously, most characters are going to be scaled with statements and not feats. Ulquiorra said the top espada could destroy las noches so they can. You cant refute that with your own interpretation. And the las noches size calc stems from Nel's comment on how long it would take to walk through it.
>Yamamoto can’t destroy a planet. They use soul society and Seireitei interchangeably. Byakuya telling Ichigo to save Soul Society even though only the Seireitei is being attacked. Ichigo to Yhwach I’m asking are you the ones who wrecked the Soul Society.
Both Yama himself and Unohana said he was going to destroy the soul society. Everyone else using ss and seireitei loosely is unimportant. But it's important to remember that Yhwach would obviously extend his attack outside the seireitei and Ichigo was out of it when he was questioning yhwach.
>When Yhwach speaks of reshaping the worlds it’s likely just through the ability as SK, not power. The most he covers is the Seireitei. Ichigo clearly cannot destroy more than multiple mountains. Even if x character did have high AOE you can’t say Ichigo is that level just because he damages or kills them. That’s not how gauging works. You gauge by how much they actually destroy and AOE isn’t even attack potency so it’s all irrelevant
Affecting the worlds on a level like that would make someone universal. On top of that Yhwach was going to destroy the garganta which is the infinite space around the dimensions. Also my scaling for Ichigo comes from Hogyoku Aizen's statement about him transcending all other beings. That Aizen was fodder to dangai Ichigo even after evolving more. On top of that form, Ichigo still has a resurrection and bankai multiplier.
Now if you make the argument of ichigo=multiversal because he reacted to his attacks than orihime would be too because she also reacted to yhwachs attacks.
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Yhwach being multiversal doesn't mean ichigo scales to him. Ichigo had help from AIZEN and Uryu
This only gives Yhwach a multiversal hax if we use your scaling I scale Yhwach to universal+ by using the Soul King effecting the entire universe since we know the Balance of souls effects the entire Universe
i normally scale yhwach to uni+ too, but if there's a possibility to his hax being relative to his ap, yhwach can be scaled to multi+
I agree but the uni+ scale is more valid
Well while Yhwach has shown the ability of seeing near infinite possible futures and manipulate them to his will…this does not make him multiversal. In order for a person to be rank as muitiveral they must show evidence of affecting entire alternate timelines or dimensions parallel to the universe itself. Which Yhwach has never shown doing and if anything has only shown avoiding the rule of cause and effect, by making the possible effect instantaneous with a thought.
You know all those grains of salt were alternate timelines only.
Possible alternative futures that Yhwach could potentially pick in a matter similar to anyone else. If Yhwach was truly muiltiversal then Yhwach wouldn’t just be limited to just manipulating his own single actions by picking one future event at a time. He would be able to affect all of them simultaneously across space and each on a infinite universal scale. Something of which is never shown or even stated in the manga when it comes to actual scale and attack potency.
you don't need to affect the timelines entirely to be scaled to multi+, if you can change the future from the infinite timelines it's already multi+, also, if you can manipulate more than 1001 alternate timelines, it's already an multiversal feat, he stated by himself he can change infinite timelines, making him multi+ by statements.
Actually one does need to affect it on that scale if one were to go by the Vs battle definition of Muilti+. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Tier_2-A
Yhwach can split the world into 4 and vice versa post soul king absorption
I agree, but I’ll also Aizen scale that as well
of course
Bleach is only mountain lvl
the downplay is crazy
Gear 5 stomps with toonforce anyway
wth no 💀
He has toonforce in immeasurable strength
power scaling in ohio:
This is a joke right?
Show me legitimate feats higher than that
Have you actually seen the show? The top 4 espada and Tosen can destroy Las noches in res. Las noches is calculated to be the size of a large country. Yamamoto can destroy the soul society making him planetary. Dangai Ichigo and Hogyoku Aizen are confirmed to be much stronger than him. Ichigo based on info from the LN should be solar system-galaxy level. Some even say uni. Yhwach was going to destroy the garganta making him uni+. Gremmy created a universe or maybe just a galaxay. Kenpachi, based on his fight with Gremmy and info from the LN should be at least star level. The ss and Jugram are confirmed to be above the base sternritter so they should all be multi-continental based on Bazz B's feat. Lille also said he was going to destroy the soul society.
Will he's not multi
No one in Bleach is ever destroying more than a city. Las Noches being country size has no evidence, Hueco Mundo is another dimension. Las Noches is a specific part of it like how the Seireitei is apart of Soul Society. The destroy Las Noches thing is a vague hype statement that makes no sense. There’s no feats EVEN from the great Ulquiorra implying he has that much AOE and Aizen is stronger than him yet his existence didn’t destroy the place. So what they most likely actually mean is just don’t wreck the place Yamamoto can’t destroy a planet. They use soul society and Seireitei interchangeably. Byakuya telling Ichigo to save Soul Society even though only the Seireitei is being attacked. Ichigo to Yhwach I’m asking are you the ones who wrecked the Soul Society. When Yhwach speaks of reshaping the worlds it’s likely just through the ability as SK, not power. The most he covers is the Seireitei. Ichigo clearly cannot destroy more than multiple mountains. Even if x character did have high AOE you can’t say Ichigo is that level just because he damages or kills them. That’s not how gauging works. You gauge by how much they actually destroy and AOE isn’t even attack potency so it’s all irrelevant Attack potency in Bleach is above space distortion (base Grimmjow’s gran rey cero distorted space) and when you get to FG Ichigo and Hogyoku Aizen (the only characters whose power can’t be perceived by others) it’s beyond time and space distortion as stated when Aizen does his full Black Coffin and Ichigo can slap that without taking any damage. Aizen then evolves and can hurt Ichigo
I suppose that maybe if one were to discards all statements and go by feats. But at the same that is still ignoring evidence.
>No one in Bleach is ever destroying more than a city. Las Noches being country size has no evidence, Hueco Mundo is another dimension. Las Noches is a specific part of it like how the Seireitei is apart of Soul Society. This isn't dragon ball. There isn't an abundance of planets and stars for characters to blow up. Obviously, most characters are going to be scaled with statements and not feats. Ulquiorra said the top espada could destroy las noches so they can. You cant refute that with your own interpretation. And the las noches size calc stems from Nel's comment on how long it would take to walk through it. >Yamamoto can’t destroy a planet. They use soul society and Seireitei interchangeably. Byakuya telling Ichigo to save Soul Society even though only the Seireitei is being attacked. Ichigo to Yhwach I’m asking are you the ones who wrecked the Soul Society. Both Yama himself and Unohana said he was going to destroy the soul society. Everyone else using ss and seireitei loosely is unimportant. But it's important to remember that Yhwach would obviously extend his attack outside the seireitei and Ichigo was out of it when he was questioning yhwach. >When Yhwach speaks of reshaping the worlds it’s likely just through the ability as SK, not power. The most he covers is the Seireitei. Ichigo clearly cannot destroy more than multiple mountains. Even if x character did have high AOE you can’t say Ichigo is that level just because he damages or kills them. That’s not how gauging works. You gauge by how much they actually destroy and AOE isn’t even attack potency so it’s all irrelevant Affecting the worlds on a level like that would make someone universal. On top of that Yhwach was going to destroy the garganta which is the infinite space around the dimensions. Also my scaling for Ichigo comes from Hogyoku Aizen's statement about him transcending all other beings. That Aizen was fodder to dangai Ichigo even after evolving more. On top of that form, Ichigo still has a resurrection and bankai multiplier.
Oh look a random clown showed up 🤡
Now if you make the argument of ichigo=multiversal because he reacted to his attacks than orihime would be too because she also reacted to yhwachs attacks.