I don't know the reason, I just assume that because the front of the bus is flat / vertical and that there isn't much distance from the front of the bus to the driver ( unlike cars) that allows then to get pretty close. But yeah, just because you can doesn't mean you necessarily should. Habit maybe from trying to squeeze into bus stops? 🤷‍♂️


It looks like they're very close when you look in the rear view mirror because their front is flat and huge. Also they can see exactly where the front of their vehicle is from the bus driver's seat unlike drivers of most other vehicles


Just asserting their dominance


Much of it is that when you look in a rear vision mirror a bus looks like it's up your arse when in fact if you got out and had a look at a side on perspective they are about 2 metres away. Sure a few are closer but mostly it is perspective and it's a large vehicle.


Toxic bus masculinity


Toxic busculinity.


Who need they bussy ate?


They wont stop until they reach terminal buslocity.




Maintain eye contact to assert your own


In my experience when they stop close it's usually directly behind another bus and done to minimise space but there could be many reasons for it which you wouldn't necessarily be in a position to realise as a passenger. Like if the bus is partially blocking a turning lane they might inch forward to make room for cars behind to enter the lane, or they might be anticipating a light change and start the process of getting the bus moving to ensure they make the light, but mistime it and have to stop again.


Because there's no reason not to when a) traffic is stopped and b) a bus driver can see the front of their vehicle *exactly* and judge distance very well. What's the point of stopping further back, exactly? Bus drivers will generally be very experienced at driving in heavy traffic and familiar with the aggravation of having to wait an entire extra lights cycle because the dipshits in the road ahead of the intersection are leaving massive gaps between their cars when stopped and now there's no room.


I’m saying a 1m gap doesn’t change anything. And it’s necessary just in case a car rolls back or is hit back.


I suspect the answer is in your original post. They don't leave room for pedestrians to walk in front of them where they are hard to see and easy to run over


What kind of piss poor driver is rolling back an entire meter? I have been driving manual vehicles for 30 years and I've never rolled back more than a few centimeters. And even in a situation where a driver does roll back, then what? Do you think it will trigger some kind of explosion? There will be a very light bump and neither vehicle will be any worse off for it. And yes a 1m gap does change things, it takes exactly 1 meter of space away for other traffic. If there are 20 cars at the traffic lights that is 20 less meters of space.


I think you’ve answered your own question, there. Piss poor ones. You know, just as there are some amongst us. Perhaps OP is dobbing themselves in as one of them?


Im a learner driver. Yes I do roll back slightly.


That won’t be for long. And if it does, try harder.


Four cars leave a 1m gap and that's more than an entire carlength already. Why would a car be *hit* back? And if a car is *rolling* back, the fact that the incompetent driver in front makes contact with the bus almost immediately before gaining momentum will actually prevent damage.


You are required to leave a gap by law as a car driver. Why is it different for buses.


You leave a gap so that if you're rearended, you don't smash into the car on front of you. A car running up the arse of a bus isn't going to do shit to the bus.


>You are required to leave a gap by law as a car driver. Care to cite that law?


Because buses are different.


> What's the point of stopping further back, exactly? You are supposed to leave enough gap that you, from your stationary position, could turn your tyres and drive out of the lane without hitting the car in front (ie not having to reverse before being able to leave your position). Typically this is taught as stopping so you can see the car in front's tyres touching the road.


> You are supposed to leave enough gap that you, from your stationary position, could turn your tyres and drive out of the lane without hitting the car in front (ie not having to reverse before being able to leave your position). You *really* aren't.


100% you are. A bus driver in this thread even says the same thing. I've done an commercial driver's training course, and it's part of the assessment, and I was taught in my teenage years when I got lessons.


No, you're supposed to be about a metre and a half back.


The fact that you've dictated a specific measurement of distance, instead of the turning clearance of each vehicle, seems to suggest that you don't have a reason to disagree; you just have you're own opinion and are willing to fight for it against all logic. You go and take a professional driver's course, or resit your licence test, and carry that same attitude. You will fail.


No, that's, like... literally the legal standard. Keeping back far enough to be able to change lanes a) explains the dickheads who pull out in front of traffic in the next lane and cause accidents, at least and b) is a pointless waste of space that will cause traffic jams. It's moronic.


It's ideal to leave at least a 1m gap when stopped for two big reasons; 1. if someone goes into the back of you and shunts you forward, and 2. in case emergency services need to get through - if everyone has left a gap, everyone can move forward and to the side, creating access for ESVs. When I learnt to drive I was taught I should be able to see the place where the car in front's back tires touch the road.


yes, correct


> What's the point of stopping further back, exactly? Well, for one thing, this is Perth. So I have no doubt there are some morons out there who would fail to see a massive bus ahead and rear-end them. In that event, I'd like the damage to my car to be as minimal as possible, so the bus driver having the decency to be at least 1-2m away means that if they get hit from behind, they might not lurch forward enough to hit me. Secondly, tyres and tarmac. That's what I was taught, because some of us still have this thing called a manual car, and those less experienced (e.g. Learners) may roll back a bit before taking off. So it's just a bit of courtesy to sit back in case that happens. Also, avoids an unnecessary towball dent on your bumper, which happened to my father once. But consideration and courtesy are about as rife in this city as snow and blizzards, so what do I know?


If a bus gets hit from behind with enough force that it gets knocked into the car in front, the bus driver stopping slightly further back *will not make a difference*. If you can't do a hill start in a manual car without rolling back, you shouldn't be driving on roads yet. > so what do I know? Not very much about inertia, certainly.


And you clearly have never ridden a bus in Perth if you think the neanderthals sitting behind the wheel are "experienced." Most of them can barely remember which route they take, let alone what an indicator stick does. Did you intentionally just ignore the part about learner drivers? Or were you born a fully grown asshole who can't could read but could perfectly hill start? I would hate to watch you sit behind a learner abusing them for not perfectly manoeuvring around the city at your mile high expectations. This is part of the reason I'm glad to have a towball because assholes like you would be riding my ass from lights to lights. And I'd rather see a towball sized hole in your radiator than any damage on my car.


> Did you intentionally just ignore the part about learner drivers? No, I replied to it. If you can't do a hill start without rolling backwards, you shouldn't be on the roads yet. You should be practicing away from all other traffic. > assholes like you would be riding my ass from lights to lights I'm not a bus driver.


> practising away from all other traffic. And this is an example of how to breed idiots on the road. If you coddle a learner and never put them in the middle of traffic or new situations, you are going to end up with a bunch of moronic, nervous, and ill-equipped drivers who are too nervous and unconfident that they are incapable of making a single decision on the road without needing a jury to deliberate for them. And those same morons are the ones who cause crashes in traffic because they do stupid and erratic things under pressure which are unpredictable and end up fucking everyones day up. > not a bus driver Never said you were. Bus drivers aren't the only idiots on the road who drive badly


>And this is an example of how to breed idiots on the road. Um no, basic clutch control, emergency braking ect should all be taught away from traffic. None of them are skills related to driving in traffic so why would you learn them in traffic? Also, i dont think there is a bus driver or in fact any driver that isn't going to give someone with L plates a bit more room.


> If you coddle a learner and never put them in the middle of traffic or new situations, Who said anything about *never* doing it? People should learn *extremely fucking basic* car control like "how to do a hill start" away from traffic, because anyone who can't do that *isn't fucking ready for traffic*. I'm starting to think you can't do a hill start and that's why you're so pissy.


Have you met a teenager before? They can barely focus on 1 thing for 5 minutes, let alone the dexterity to be releasing the hand brake at the same time they are accelerating and releasing the clutch. There is guaranteed to be some roll back as these kids get the hang of it. Not everyone has the time to simply wait until there is no one else on the road to practice these sorts of things, too. Please, for the love of god, do not teach your children/future children how to drive. 80% of Perth is already incapable of using a roundabout. We don't need you adding to the gene pool, which is already diluted of functioning brain cells


Better than that, mate, I *was* a teenager, and I was in fact capable of hill starts without rolling back. Just because the teenagers *you* know are fucking idiots doesn't mean all of them are.


Mate, have you ever heard of illusory superiority? Its when someone overestimates their own abilities. I don't doubt you think you were top shit when you were a teenager fresh on your red Ps. But I guarantee you were nowhere near as good as you think you are. I've already accepted the fact that back then I was a fucking idiot as a teenager on the road and off it. Its why they are called teenagers. If they weren't dumbasses then anyone above the age of 12 would be classified as an adult. But that age range is full of morons who overestimate their abilities. That's why the word teenager exists. Point is, bus drivers are not the holy grail of experience you think they are. In my view they sit along side taxi drivers as some of the dumbest cunts to ever pull their license out of a fruitloops box


It gives drivers more chance to access the left or right turning lanes behind the bus when its stopped at an intersection. Its very aggravating when a car leaves a gap in front when stopped, but isnt aware they are blocking following vehicles the clearance to turn left or right. I think that is some of the reason. ie: its common courtesy, that the bus drivers are fully aware of where their vehicle starts, and ends, and everywhere in between🫡


Ex Transperth driver here. Drivers are trained to ensure a gap is maintained that would enable them to maneuver out and around a car in front of them if that car all of a sudden broke down / couldn't start etc especially at lights or stop sign etc. Buses are not allowed to reverse without a 2nd safety person, so you just make sure you leave a good gap or you are stuffed with a bunch of passengers annoyed you are trapped and can't move.


How does this factor in with the placement of the wheels/steering angle of a Bus? I suspect they can maneuver much better than people expect.


As your wheels are set behind the driver, a bus can pull out on a tight angle so yes, are deceptively maneuverable. So what may look like a tight fit they can pull out easily enough. Always best to set yourself back though to be sure.


Also easy if you're used to driving cars to forget how far back the front wheels are and turn too early and smack the centre of the truck in something. 1/10 experience would encourage paying more attention in the future.


I guess its better than being one of those stupid cunts who have to leave 3 car lengths when stopped in traffic.


Fuck I needed to see this written here. Thanks for your service.


Exactly what I was saying on another post. Thank you


When you drive flat front vehicles you can more accurately judge your distance. He’s close but he won’t kiss your bumper


Can't say I've ever noticed this. It maybe just looks/feels closer because it's a 2 metre vertical surface close to you rather than a sloping bonnet


So they don't block filter lanes?


I was always under the impression that you leave a reasonable gap in the event of being rear ended and the gap was to prevent a domino effect on the cars in front. Maybe I've been off the mark this whole time...


This is exactly what is taught for defensive driving and is a good standard to have. However, given the mass of a bus, it would take something extremely heavy/ludicrous speed to impart enough force to shove a bus forward from a rear end accident.


I'm surprised more people don't know about this, maybe as a relative new comer, I did more research than a local would ? There is actually something sinister that lurks beneath many of Perth's streets. Nobody knows for sure what it is, but many people speak in hushed tones about the strange occurrences that have been happening on the roads since that fateful night in 1954. In July 1961, a group of scientists actually came to the town to investigate the strange occurrences that had been happening on the roads. They discovered that there was a vast network of tunnels and caverns beneath the ground, created by an ancient creature that had long since gone extinct. However, the creature had left behind its offspring, creatures that were just as large and just as dangerous. The creatures were attracted to the heat emanating from the cars that stopped at red lights, and they would emerge from the tunnels to get closer to the vehicles. The only way to protect the people was to keep the cars moving, so the buses would pull up closely to the cars to create a barrier that the creatures could not cross. This is a mandatory part of Transperth training, though it is not advertised to the wider public for obvious reasons. Many of Perth's older residents remember the events of 1954 and live in fear, always looking over their shoulders and never venturing out after dark. But they are comforted by the knowledge that the buses would always be there to protect them from the monsters that lurked beneath the roads. And so, life goes on in the city, with the buses and the creatures both silently coexisting, hidden from the rest of the world.


It's better than leaving a car length or two like most drivers seem to do these days.


I'll say. Then once the light turns green they sort their hair, check their mirrors, put the car in gear, release the brake then roll through the intersection just as the lights turn amber.


When I drove a van I did similar. Don’t know why you just squeeze up when there’s nothing in front of you


Dude, you seen Perth drivers? If the bus left a six inch gap some bloody car driver would try to fill it.


people often leave too much gap because they think getting too close is rude for some reason, you know what's rude? blocking off people trying to get into the turning lane and they have to watch the green turn red, which causes a compounding effect that results in traffic buildup


Drive a bus or a van and you'll understand


I drove a bus for 6 years, I still don’t understand


ITT: Perth drivers don't understand why you are supposed to leave a metre minimum gap between stopped vehicles at the lights


Because as long as they can see your tyres it's legal.


A lot of bus drivers are questionable drivers. Some seem to forget they are driving a 15 tonne bus and not a Yaris especially when using brakes.


Pics, or it never happened! 😄


They’re mostly terrible drivers that’s why. They just slam on the breaks at the last possible second




I’ll go down fighting if you think a 5cm gap is necessary.


I’m an experienced bus driver and I think that anything greater than 25mm is unnecessary, I’m also prepared to die on this hill, feel free to contact me on the transperth help line if you want to arrange a bare knuckle showdown *not actually a representative of transperth


Cant be that experienced. What if it breaks down, how are you gonna get out? Reverse? HAHAHAHA




Legally you have to leave a certain gap as a car. It’s about 1m I think. Which is useful in case a manual car rolls back or if it gets hit back.


Agreed, I wasn’t taught a distance but was always taught to leave enough room to see a bit of road between the car in front. If you get rear ended it means you won’t ding the car in front.


The saying is that you should be able to see the wheels of the car in-front if you.


1-3m is fine. Any more than 5m is taking the piss. Any less than 1m is also taking the piss.


Pick any combination: a) It looks a lot closer from your perspective than the drivers b) The driver doesn't want any pedestrians or cyclists to cross in front of the bus c) The driver wasn't really paying attention when they stopped d) You pissed the driver off somehow e) The driver likes to see people sweat f) The bus driver is barely competent to drive a heavy vehicle


Because they can. 😁


There isn't a reason to do or not do this. Your quibble is mostly meaningless.


Bus drivers are like tipper drivers and quad drivers, brain dead morons with no knowledge about how to drive




I think they're trying to watch the video you're seeing on your mobile :-)


Maybe so people can't run between them and vehicles in front


Probably to prevent pedestrians walking in front of them as much as possible


Or a reason they block several lanes of traffic every time they try to sneak through the intersection of Loftus and Cambridge Street even though it's obvious they won't fit there. Seriously, every single morning.


As you can imagine, buses are large obstructions for visibility. I would suggest parking close to vehicles reduces the likelihood of pedestrians crossing in front of them, in turn reducing the potential for a pedestrian vs vehicle events.


Just pop your boot open, hop out and ask the driver to get right on in there.


Probably to stop some idiot thinking I can jump into that gap in front of the bus.


It's usually impatience, complacency and general incompetence. If the vehicle in front breaks down or cannot move off for any reason, they (the bus) is stuffed cos they can't reverse off to get around.