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appolo11

Christina McKendrick is an absolute fucking moron. Anyone else listen to this idiot this morning? Have an entire panel of women with a combined IQ of a newt. She suggested the people go "get a pint of Pimms". What a fucking idiot. She isn't smart enough to know that would be like saying, "Go get a pint of Whiskey". Then, she goes on to gush about how the entire arab world is on break today, which is awesome because kids and I are getting some middle eastern food today, it's amazing!! Then proceeds to say that Ons was from.......Tanzania." Incredibly, she didn't look like the biggest moron on the panel because she was in the presence of Alexandria Stevenson.


redditfireranger

Has anyone tried buying from the Wimbledon online shop? Do they have items on sale after the slam ends? Thank you


think2xbrother

Nick v Novak is the final where the world will be cheering for nick. What an opportunity for him. Nick in 4


candiceislove

invitations double is fun to watch, players are smiling and not mad all the time


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if you watch the fifth set supertiebreaker of nadal/fritz nadal's first serves went up to 109-116 mph, pretty much back to normal. he was back to normal by the end of the 4th set other than a slightly lower first serve. his serve was shit from sets 1-3 though.


Elonmuskishuman

Orrrr there was simply no injury at all


DonChontaduro

At this point I believe that, same as Novak should not speak in public about his beliefs on vaccines and cosmic energy, Rafa should not speak about his health status. Both stories are just polarizing the tennis world over things that are personal and do not have to be a public thing, in such extent. Federer is a good example of how should those things look like. He is not announcing his return and than changing his mind in the last minute, compared to Rafa stating he doesn't know if he will play next day, week or ever. Telenovela....


vtatenda

So someone can't tell they don't want a vaccine in public or express their beliefs? Should churches and mosques be banned then for allowing people to express your beliefs in public? Also in regards to Rafa if he is asking about his health status then what do you want him to say?


wegboniert

I mean they speak about it when they get asked the questions, not just without any reason.


Raylan_Givns

I think I could beat with Fritz with a torn ab


sharkhuh

I'm lukewarm to the prospect of hobbled Rafa getting whooped by Novak in the finals even if he survives Kyrgios...what a shit situation to be in. He was already not favored fully healthy, so it'll be a slaughter if he ain't fit. Novak would eat those slow serves up


Gamer_moment15

Better be a runner up at Wimbledon after 11 yrs getting beaten by Djokovic than getting ass whooped by Nick fucking kyrgios and potentially giving his career's biggest achievement


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why? did you have amnesia about the 5th set super tiebreaker? nadal's 1st serves were all in the 109-116mph range. are you trying to wish/pray your way to your favorite, novak, winning against a gimpy rafa?


Corporal_Snorkel69

Yeah djokovic can win against nadal in this one but its very unlikely. Probably 20-25% chance


Raylan_Givns

Nothing to worry about. A hobbled Rafa gets whooped by Nick


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except nadal's first serve was 109-116mph in the fifth set supertiebreaker. for some reason people here don't want to talk about that.


Yupadej

I need a prodigy to come and crush Nadal and Djokovic and retire them man. I have had enough of them, just crush them in straight sets for the next four slams and win them all or something. Supporting an underdog is tough in this sport, the better player wins in five sets. Alcaraz isn't that guy, only Zverev has that ability but he is a choker and is out for the season.


Gamer_moment15

Idk man, I'm enjoying these old guys schooling the young ones lol


SwgohSpartan

What makes you think Alcaraz isn’t that guy? He won 2 master this season and was very competitive with literally the best version of Alex Zverev I’ve seen at RG (outside of maybe Olympics) and is only 19 years old


Yupadej

He can't out talent Rafa and Novak. Rafa and Novak could out talent Federer and crossed him.


genius_heaviside

True. But these new guys doesn’t have five set experience against these giants other than slams.


Yupadej

Forget experience, the only player in the world who has much ability as these two is Alexander Zverev and that guy is a choke artist. Federer in his prime couldn't deal with these two. We need another 2011 Djokovic to shake things up. Meddy is consistent but always falls apart when these two turn it up. Alcaraz isn't "that" guy even though he is good.


namkcuR

Google says Rafa and Djokovic scheduled to play in the same place at the same time on Friday - center court at 8:30AM Eastern Time. Playing at the same time by itself is madness, but lol at both matches being played on center court at the same time. I'm guessing they're using that info as a placeholder and that they don't actually know yet.


Gamer_moment15

Doubles?


thombo-1

'Gentlemen. You may be wondering why we have assembled you here today. In lieu of ranking points, the Lawn Tennis Association has decreed that Wimbledon 2022 will be the first Grand Slam to be settled by four-way combat. Select your weapons and we begin. May the odds be ever in your favour.'


sharkhuh

Those are placeholders. Order of play is only released the day before throughout the tournament. Both matches will be center court, it's just a matter of who they have first.


MrPeanutbutter14

In most sports an athlete of Nadal or Nole’s ability would have been the undisputed GOAT. How lucky are we to not only have both of them but have both of them at the same time !


Luck1492

Predictions for tomorrow: Jabeur d. Maria in 2 Jabeur got her nervy set in last match and dealt with it wonderfully afterward. She will be ready to go this match and frankly Maria can’t do anything to stop her. Halep d. Rybakina in 3 Rybakina’s serves are going to be difficult to return, so I think she will be able to grab a set, but Halep’s experience at this stage in Grand Slams is what will provide her the edge.


Swami747

Rybakina to win the tournament


tobyps

What I learned from reading Kyrgios' wikipedia page: \- He is Malaysian royalty by blood through his mother's side \- When he won the 2013 Australian Open boys singles title, he beat fellow 2022 Wimbledon semifinalist Cam Norrie in the 2nd round. He also beat Kokkinakis in the final (sorry to tell you that mate).


4evaneva

Of the many things I did not expect to read on his page, his mum renouncing a princess title was not one of them


escherbach

After [that press conference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Q_KP_cMJk) I don't see Nadal playing the SF. If it was against Norrie maybe he would give it a go, but against Kyrgios in his current form on grass? Likely this could be Nadal's last time at Wimbledon, he would rather be remembered for that heroic effort to win in the QF today than have humiliation of getting easily beaten by Kyrgios on Centre Court in SF, even having to retire after one or two sets...


Gamer_moment15

He isn't giving up after getting this far


kitaoiserebaa

are you okay?


escherbach

eh? Did you watch the Press Conference (and the post-match interview). He says he almost retired during the Fritz match and his team and family wanted him to, but only the great support of the crowd encouraged him to continue. He said he wanted to be remembered for giving it his all on Centre Court - which I doubt he will be able do do again on Friday.


creepy_Kun

mf he says this bullshit almost every other match. Quite clever if you ask me...


Corporal_Snorkel69

He says something like that after almost every match


wegboniert

Tactics to downplay his chances. Which is normal in such a situation. Pretty sure he will give it a try


joaopedrocoelho

You're new to this, huh?


escherbach

yeah, [this was my first ever post](https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/ft1gix/wimbledon_cancelled/)


DoubleFaulty1

I’ve been a fan of Fritz’s for five years, but the idea that he should be proud of his performance today is nuts. He had it on his racket in sets 2-3. He holds himself to the highest standards and “I tried my best,” is not good enough of an attitude to reach the top which he honestly believes he can do.


Aggravating_Set980

Does Maria have a chance with her consistently average efficient slice and dice game ? I feel like Jabeur is Fabrice Santoro in risk-taking compared to her.. might backfire.


Nastypav12

She has a chance if Jabeur gets frustrated; I've been following Tatjana since February and she's a lot better than her ranking (WTA does not give protected status for maternity leave).


sammyp99

She moves better than Jabeur


zacharius55

Heads up /r/tennis . Watch out for another virus/scam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQoOfKhFAj8


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lhubbard0

2nd least insane redditor


DBIGLIZARD

Agreed


knickgooner10

What in the world? I like Djokovic but geez he attracts some crazy people.


stonemason486

I like him too, but this is obviously a troll lol


[deleted]

Yup crazy.. Let's go ahead and start MRNA experimental gene therapy on 2 year olds


[deleted]

The truth is, both sides are overreacting and crazy. The categorical pro vaxxers and the ever doubtful anti-vaxxers.


[deleted]

Do you know what an anti-vaxxer is? This is not some run off the mill jab.


MoreDblRainbows

Serena's daughter looks about 8, she is so damn tall. Does she play in 10 years?


Alexsmoker

8 Grand slams by 19


AnonKing

wtf is going with the scam YouTube live streams these days?


MoreDblRainbows

Fognini is wild man lol. How does Penetta deal with him? lol. She must just tell him to shut up and look pretty.


agreen3636

Rafa's press conference definitely wasn't confidence-inducing. However he's almost always that way about his injuries. He clearly never wants to promise anything he doesn't know to be true. Hopefully the day off will help but I certainly wouldn't want him to seriously hurt himself before US Open season. His family looked pretty upset. I doubt he pulls out before the match but it's not impossible. Also hard to see him beating Nick without a serve or backhand but then again I shouldn't doubt Rafa. His baseline play was unreal today. Poor dude. Finally has a (temporary) solution to the foot and now a new part of his body is revolting.


thcm123

Wasn’t able to watch the match but just saw the press conference. He looks pretty dejected and I really feel sorry for him. The guy cannot get a fucking break! And Rafa being Rafa aside, the length these athletes will go to to compete, and be at their best, is simply incomprehensible to an average Jane like me. You gotta wonder whether they will have any quality of life after tennis given what they put their body through.


thebreamteam

The man has won more slams than any other man, he's caught a few breaks, the treatments alone. He was supposed to be done at 30 because of his playing style and he's had more slams since then, than many all time greats. If he doesn't play another match, he can look back on his career and marvel at what he got out of it. Take a look at Delpo if you need someone to feel sorry for. I say all this as the biggest Rafa fan, he got his fair share and then some.


Visual_Cycle_1066

As the abdominal strain was pre-existing, Rafa almost certainly had imaging done before the Fritz match to get an updated grade. It was probably a Grade II strain which is actually a partial tear in the muscle. The concern with a Grade II is that it can progress to a Grade III or complete tear through if he continued to play due to the forces imposed on the core. The protocol is rest and therapy, not playing Fritz. Once Rafa was in obvious pain, his box implored him to retire fearing a tear had or was about to occur. A Grade III tear can actually be an emergency situation and require surgery. Again this is why his box was glum and his dad, sis and doctor were imploring him to retire immediately. His dad's hand signals meant essentially "get the eff out of there!" I hope I'm wrong on this trust me but it really does not look good. It's a helluva a place to be - play on with a tear and hope it doesn't rip the rest of the way through and you're done for the year, or shut it down for 6 weeks or so and heal up for the USO. Tortuous decision.


Dr_KennyMcCormick

Where are you getting this information from?


overtired27

I’ve not seen it but has Nadal expressed how much he cares (or not) about the calendar grand slam? I’m worried he will play when he shouldn’t either for that, or simply because his years on centre court are limited. That said, it would of course be a shame for Nadal to give up the run, and also for Kyrgios to reach his first singles final without even playing the semi. My guess is Nadal will play, but I hope he pulls out if he needs to. Would be crazy to end up in a potential emergency health situation as you describe.


agreen3636

He hasn't said about caring either way but knowing Rafa he doesn't care about the calendar slam but moreso wants to win ever slam he plays in. Does that make sense? It sounds like the same thing but it's not.


MaxwellCE

I won't be able to watch the Kyrgios/Nadal match live. Is there some way I would be able to watch the match in full afterwards? Are they uploaded somewhere?


DoubleFaulty1

Espn’s site in US.


overtired27

BBC iPlayer


SilverBackBonobo

Where can I find some decent match highlights, I don't want to see these 4 minute pieces of shit posted to Wimby


wonkyblues

Try this https://youtu.be/QhhTZ6ubyw0


jeffwingersballs

Do the commentators get some kind of marching orders to talk about how great the new tiebreak rule is? If someone is being fair about it, they would talk about the epic matches that went past 6-6 and how that won't happen anymore. Instead, it's like their orders are coming from higher ups to keep things one sided. It's infuriating.


Aniruddh31

Uncle Tony made our boy so damn resilient. 99% of players would've retired today let alone won the match. Rafa is different gravy


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eerilyphallic

I’m trying to find it too lol


458steps

Same! Can't find a video anywhere.


Aniruddh31

I really liked that they had Feliciano Lopez on commentary


buddybonesbones

Really? I kept thinking he wasn't contributing much.


genius_heaviside

Which channel?


Aniruddh31

BBC


genius_heaviside

Good for you. Here is ESPN I have to tolerate McEnroe’s same sentences over and over.


Aniruddh31

Yeah Mcenroe's commentary sucks. I use a VPN and watch it on BBC iplayer


tobyps

If Djokovic wins this Wimbledon, who is the grass GOAT between him and Federer? Federer would have 8 Wimbledons to Djokovic's 7, but with a losing 1-3 H2H on grass. I guess you can throw Sampras into the mix too as he has 7 Wimbledons himself.


SleepingAntz

Federer is the grass GOAT. H2H doesn’t mean anything given how old Fed was when the matches happened. Even if Novak wins, 8 titles > 7 titles and 12 finals > 8 finals. Case closed.


Raylan_Givns

Fed was 32. At age 33, Joker was one match off a calendar slam.


SleepingAntz

Sure, but Federer's opponent was 27-year old Novak Djokovic. 33-year old Novak wouldn't have won anything if 27-year old Novak was on the tour at the same time. Point is that in their 4 Wimbledon matches, Fed was 30, 32, 33, and 37. Djokovic was 25, 27, 28, and 33. 0 matches played during Fed's prime, 3 matches played during Novak's prime. Despite that, even though the match record is 3-1, In terms of sets won it was only 10-8, and Djokovic needed to save championship points in one of them. If they also played during Fed's prime, he would lead the grass H2H easily.


fingerdumbed

Fed > Sampras > Djokovic.


ScrantonScrangler

Still Federer easily. Djokovic is absolutely fantastic but it's no secret that his last Wimbledon was an absolute sleepwalk and this is lining up the same. His horrible loss in Wimbledon 2019 does him no favors though, cause he had been easily the best player in the match. Federer beat great grasscourters with amazing mentality like Hewitt and Roddick, on top of Nadal and Murray. It feels like the players below Nadal and Djokovic are far weaker mentally these days.


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>Djokovic is absolutely fantastic but it's no secret that his last Wimbledon was an absolute sleepwalk and this is lining up the same. By that logic Fed has faced easier opponents on grass than the rest of the big 3, and that's simply because he's older and played in a weaker era initially.


ScrantonScrangler

I don’t know about that. Tennis players were definitely far better mentally 15-20 ago. Many players like Nalbandian, Roddick, Safin, Ferrer, Gonzalez and Davydenko were very strong mentally, much more than 99% of the current roster. There’s a lot of talent these days, but very weak mentality. Young players these days just self destruct against Rafa and Novak. Big 3 aura didn’t exist back in those days, and while it is beautiful to see Rafole still play, that aura alone makes the rest of the field and this current era weaker. But that’s my opinion.


Particular-Bit-7852

I’d put Federer > Djokovic > Sampras. You can’t negate the fact that Federer won 8 Wimbledon’s to Djokovics 7. Also: I’m giving the edge to djokovic and putting him at 7.5 over Sampras 7 because 2020 was cancelled and he was clearly the favourite to win it, which he did in 2021


Aniruddh31

Pete has got to be 2nd


jaguar_loco

Federer first place, Novak and Sampras second and not just becasue the Wimbledon title count would pan out that way.


follow-spy

I found a little hack guys that I want to share. Instead of playing with friends 3-4 times a week who are decent, I train with high caliber coaches at Usta only once or twice a week and my tennis has improved substantially. Obviously I do other workouts during the week to stay in shape


itsniickgeo

Well yeah, having a coach is going to be better than playing with friends for improvement


Schwiliinker

Nadal said he felt a strong whiplash on every serve. How the fuck did he play for so long. Says he might not recover


lastofoblivion

It’s either risk everything here for Rafa and let go of the hard-court season OR let go of Wimby and prep and secure for the hard-court season. It’s definitely the latter for me.


Firm-Technician-2214

Well that's if you believe he will get more injured in a match, personably I doubt that will happen.


lastofoblivion

Reports are out. He has a 7mm tear. He’s definitely risking Wimby and letting the hard court season go at this point.


chungardian

Apparently Nadal has a grade II strain in his abdomen, which can easily lead to a grade III strain. A grade III, I've read, is very serious and would possibly require surgery. If he suffers a grade III, I don't think he will be able to play the US Open


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Firm-Technician-2214

Can you link source?


Firm-Technician-2214

What is your guys favorite apps for finding tennis matches. I'm in Seattle for an internship during the summer and I want to play tennis but idk where to find people. Also, do you have luck finding good players? I'm a UTR 10


jeffwingersballs

Are you familiar with r/10s? They might have some posts you could dig up if you don't get the answer you're looking for.


Firm-Technician-2214

Thank you for the response.


bignut123

Apparently kyrgios is betting favorite against baldal? Is his injury that bad?


GymandRave

Grass is Kyrgios best surface and Nadals worse. Even if he is 100% Nadal would maybe only be a sligh lt favorite


bignut123

Nadal has won 2 Wimbledon’s but kyrgios hasn’t won shit tho


Firm-Technician-2214

No it's cause Kyrigos is better than baldal


Grouchy_Square

Y’all really never matured past like 6th grade it’s seriously sad. Grow up.


_indianhardy

Not a very "grown up" comment


Grouchy_Square

And why is that? Calling our stupid immature stuff is childish? Why is that? Edit: people love to conflate being grown up… with lack of confrontation or something? It’s really stupid. “Baldal” i mean listen to yourself. Go talk like that in the real world and people will laugh at you. It’s stupid! Just have normal conversations!


_indianhardy

Be a little less judgemental


Grouchy_Square

No.


bignut123

People think it’s hilarious. You’re just a nadal simp. Or baldal simp. Good ol fraudal baldal


Grouchy_Square

Other emotionally stunted people, I’m sure.


bignut123

I’d love to see kyrgios beat baldal again in Wimbledon idk if it happens tho. We’ll see if he can bring it


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Firm-Technician-2214

It's obviously a joke..


cornertakenslowly

Nadal is that impossible end game boss. Just when you think youre doing ok and might beat him, his final form suddenly kicks in and destroys you. The thing with nadal is even if you're a world class player yourself, you need incredible composure and mental strength to beat him in those highly intense pressure moments at the death. His focus and determination is so ridiculous at the end that he can often produce his best tennis even after 4 hours in the match.


jeffwingersballs

That's funny because I felt that way about Djokovic being the endgame boss early today.


throwawayanon1252

There is a reason the onlh people who have beaten nadal when he wasn’t injured is roger or Novak. It’s so hRd to do it. Even when my boy is injured you have to be better than your best. There’s a reason the big 3 are goats


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i was shocked how almost all the linesjudges for the nadal/fritz match were young and in good shape. not the typical old pot-bellied boomers. it is like wimbledon officials were scared by kyrgios whining about the old linesjudges or something.


nomnomnomnomRABIES

Hmm. In general there have been too many bad calls this year. Is this becaus rid agist undue preference being given to younger lines people instead of doing it by their accuracy?


jeffwingersballs

I hope Nick Kyrgios inspires Nadal to start underarm serving.


Head-Yam997

Are both semi finals on at the same time?


itsniickgeo

No. I know Google says that for the men, but that's because they haven't determined order of play for the men's yet. Jabeur v Maria is the 1st match tomorrow on the women's side


follow-spy

Pretty sure in another universe, Nadal was leading an army or something . It’s scary how his eyes looked today


[deleted]

that is 2022 rafa in a nutshell he sounded so sad in the press conference...BUT, he said it all depends on the X-rays on thursday. he said that he disobeyed his team and family (except mery his wife who stayed silent) and felt inspired by his fans and the rest of the crowd on centre court and refused to quit as a result of them giving him energy. his team, sister, and father screamed at him to quit in the 2nd set but he ignored them. i am 100% sure that he also meant to say unless his wife orders him to quit he will not stop playing. FWIW, his wife was smiling and looked calm during sets 4 and 5. his coaches and other family members looked horrified seeing him still playing in sets 4 and 5. i bet anything his wife who flew in for the QF after missing the first 4 matches was a huge reason why he even played. it looks like the rest of his team and family said he shouldn't have even played vs fritz.


Schwiliinker

Yea I really doubt nadal would forfeit just because his wife told him to. It’s only gonna happen if all his doctors are like begging him not to play. Even then Im not sure


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cool story...so anyway, like i said, his wife was cool as a cucumber and as a result nadal didn't panic or have any second thoughts ignoring the rest of his team/family because of her.


Schwiliinker

It’s cool that you think that, but it’s not really the case


Visual_Cycle_1066

Yeah I agree, bad energy coming from his box, dad sis and doctor all calling for him to retire, they know something we don't, if they had a white towel they would have tossed it on the court. Somber in the box even when he was charging for the win. Never seen anything like it.


follow-spy

She probably knows him better than most thinking you would have to shoot him before taking him out of the court


Goldfischglas

Which gap is bigger, the gap between Murray and the big 3, or the gap between Murray and the 5th best player during this era?


Visual_Cycle_1066

The gap between Murray and Larry Shankhouse from the Toledo Tennis Club is relatively tiny compared to the gap between Murray and The Big 3.


Rickcampbell98

Surely you're taking the piss right?


Visual_Cycle_1066

LOL yeah just having some fun. Although I did play Shankhouse in the Wichita YMCA Invitational and he has a wicked backhand slice.


[deleted]

The big 3 and big 4 both exist, and describe different era's of tennis. The big 4 was a real thing for many years. Murray dominated the tour alongside Federer, Djokovic, and Nadal. They were all on a level completely above the rest of the tour. This is why they were all grouped together. Yes Stan had some good runs. But the ATP tour is a nearly year-long marathon, with more to the tour than Slams. Murray had a handle on the tour for years, unlike what Stan did. Not saying Stan wasn't an exceptional player at the top of the game too- he is one of the great players of this generation too, but it was the big 4 for a reason


[deleted]

big 4 doesn't exist. only the big 3. murray has the same number of slams as stan


IvanMalison

Well I mean, we're talking about Murray vs Wawrinka in that case, right?


Goldfischglas

Yes


MoreDblRainbows

This is called immaturity my sweet child. ​ https://twitter.com/steftsitsipas/status/1544610658012069888


dannylenwinn

'My ability and capacity to acknowledge I was wrong is largely determined by the attitude of the person I’m arguing with.' - Tsitsipas ​ Ok.... hmmm. He should study some Stoicism or Epicurus, and then M. Aurelius. Instead, maybe he studies..... (self-made Tsitsipas Philosophy).


Meecs18

That Rafa presser is just gutting. Seems like he was quite happy with his progression throughout the tournament until the injury flared up.


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we shall see what happens. if X-ray says bad then he has to withdraw. if it says not so bad then he is good to go. i am glad he beat fritz. it would be devastating if he lost another match to fritz due to injury.


TuneSquadFan4Ever

I'm really excited for Nole vs Norrie. The NoNo matchup will be interesting. Granted, Nole kicked Norrie's ass last (the only?) time they played but Norrie's style (that I know not a lot of people are fond of) sounds really fun against Djokovic's "I'll return anything you send for the rest of eternity" style.


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TuneSquadFan4Ever

Oh I don't think Norrie will really be a challenge at all. But I do think the rallies will be on the longer side and pretty entertaining to watch. I imagine Novak takes it in 3.


divine_dolphin

Djokovic in 3


TuneSquadFan4Ever

Probably, yeah. But the rallies will be long and beautiful though.


divine_dolphin

Agree to disagree. I just hate how norrie hits the ball versus someone like Djokovic. But it will be fun watching Djokovic easily make the final. What I'm more interested in, is what is kyrgios going to do? It's his first final. It's up against the best in the world on grass. He doesn't train. He hasn't had any truly difficult player (yes some players pushed him, but no one had some dangerous weapon or very clever match manuveribility like Djokovic and Nadal have - take Nadal beating Fritz despite injured and unable to hit a true first serve). And he won't have any match practice for FOUR days. And I'm saying this because no way Nadal plays Friday. Sorry but his doctor was even begging him to retire this match. No way this isn't a bad injury that could become incredibly serious if he plays again.


TuneSquadFan4Ever

That's fair. I know Norrie's style isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I personally love it. His forehand being so topspin heavy and his backhand is *so flat* it's kind of interesting. I don't see that really troubling Djokovic at all but I'll find their styles clashing interesting. Kyrgios doesn't train, but he has mentioned before(around the AO) that he got a physical trainer for the first time this season. I remember it being mentioned after he won the AO doubles in one interview and being surprised it wasn't posted everywhere. He doesn't have a coach but physically I think he's doing pretty well. I think Kyrgios' biggest problem is that his biggest weapon his serve and he's going up against one of the world's greatest returners (stats wise I think it's between Novak/Rafa/Diego Schartzman depending on whether you're looking at % of return games won or points and so on, think Djokovic is ahead right now). It will probably earn him a set or two but is it enough to beat Djokovic in a full match? Ehhh probably not. I'd say Tsitsipas is a pretty difficult player (okay, it's Tsitsipas *on grass* but he got better this season) but I generally agree. I think Kyrgios is going to depend heavily on his mental side of things...and he's up against a mental giant so it's going to be tough. I have no idea how he's gonna play, honestly.


_indianhardy

Only if kyrgios gets past Nadal.


divine_dolphin

Whoops. Honestly my bad. You're right tsisisisipas was a difficult player THIS tourny on grass. To be fair, imo, while a win is a win, I think he won that more because of his ability to get under his oppotents skin. Something he won't be able to do with Djokovic. At least not enough to grant him more than a set.


MoreDblRainbows

Nadal is playing.


jasonfrey13

I just watched Nadal’s press conference and it seems pretty unlikely (IMO) that he’s gonna play the semifinal. Which sucks


fingerdumbed

Y’all always underestimate how much pain Rafa is willing to play through. He has been playing injured for 17 FUCKING YEARS. He will only withdraw if he can’t play a high level, which he still could against Fritz; his serve was off, but the rest of his game held up decently well. I expect Rafa to show up for the semis, unless the pain stops him from making his shots.


Muffinfeds

Yeah he's a dawg. The only way I see him dropping out is if the pain is too much and the doctors say this will affect him permanently.


Visual_Cycle_1066

Kills me to say it but I agree and think we're going to get a presser tomorrow where he withdraws. I have never seen anyone in a player's box so strongly urge a player to retire like i saw today from his dad, sister, and the other guy next to his dad. I bet they all knew there was something very wrong before the match and Nadal was at risk of an even more serious injury if he played. Major bummer, hoping against hope that i'm reading the signs wrong.


jasonfrey13

Exactly. He just needs to pray he somehow sleeps and wakes up with it significantly better after some stretches and treatment on it. But I don’t really know how possible that even is with abdominal stuff


Visual_Cycle_1066

My take is that if his doc says there is no significant risk of rupturing the ab, that he could play on anti-inflams and painkillers, he would for sure play. Problem is my read is that the doc probably already found the injury before the Fritz match to be serious with a possibility of rupture, which is why Rafa's family was strongly urging him to retire. You gotta watch that video about 10 times in a row and see how upset they are. Ab tear = rest and treatment for 5-6 weeks, Ab rupture = surgery and the rest of the year is shot.


jasonfrey13

Yea his doctor is actually the guy to the left of his sister. And he was one of the 3 telling him to stop, which is terrifying. I just don’t see it happening, and even if he does play, Kyrgios is freakin good on grass so I don’t think it’s possible to beat him like at 60% capacity. I have a bad feeling all around 😢 I’m a Fed fan btw, I just have so much respect and love for Rafa too


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I bet my account he plays on friday.


jasonfrey13

Delete your account


jasonfrey13

I hope so. He seemed dejected AF when asked about the next match, which I’ve almost never seen before


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he was just as dejected after every single match at the french open over his foot


jasonfrey13

Hmm I don’t know about that? I think during that tournament he knew his foot was asleep so he kept saying during his press conferences that he knew for that tournament he would be fine. I’m sure he was worried for post RG, but I don’t remember a single time he was as dejected about the foot (during RG) as he seems about this abdomen issue


Visual_Cycle_1066

That's right and I also don't recall his family and his doctor emotionally imploring him to retire during any of his FO matches, so that's another kinda big difference.


Corporal_Snorkel69

I think nadal is going to destroy kyrgios in semis


Schwiliinker

Kinda unlikely and that’s if he actually plays


shihtzu_knot

Anyone have a link for the Fritz presser?


jaguar_loco

I feel like Sinner had a much better showing than Fritz did today. Was more mature and composed, but unfortunately was a margin worse when his opponents levels rose, while Fritz was much more volatile, playing great, then not being able to close the game, then fantastic again, then terrible. I'm sure Sinner will be a future slam champ but I'm not so sure about Fritz - when he was good he was great, but when he had to be great - he was bad.


InsideAdidas

Madrid is actually on Fire as we Speak. Im guessing Rafa will play but nothing is confirmed.


biggrabo

My conspiracy theory is that nadal is using kokain or something similar in his canine. I will never forget the match against Novak Djokovic where he was not able to run anymore because he was just out of the game. Went in the cabin came out fresh like never before and won that match. I don’t know if he went today inside of the cabin after his injury… did he?


Elonmuskishuman

It was either a miraculous recovery or just simply cheated


timb1223

Just realized if Djokovic wins against Norrie and loses in the final, PCB will be the wooden spoon for the second consecutive year.


Goldfischglas

Oof, Rafa sounded extremly worried and down in his press conference.


HopeistheAnthemLITM

Wonder if he's having flashbacks to the stress fracture of his rib in March. That one meant he had to rest for several weeks. Get well soon, Rafa.


fishcakefrenzy

novaks mentality yesterday and then this guys pure grit (got told to retire during todays match) to drag himself over the line has been amazing to watch. Still a big gap between the goats and dat next gen


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Grouchy_Square

It’s annoying for anyone but it’s ESPECIALLY annoying that they are doing this considering he had an ab injury against Fritz of all players and miraculously recovered to win the title lol. Like the lack of self awareness is INSANE


Meecs18

A lot of Nole fans give Novak a bad name by how genuinely stupid and aggressive they are


jaguar_loco

Last year /r/tennis was filled with people saying Novak faked an injury at his best performing grand slam against a then rookie while comfortably leading 2-0 and seemingly having nothing to gain from faking an injury and MTO after a slip. Even today in the live thread people were mentioning it and labeling it a ''fake injury''. Same thing as today with the only difference Nadal wasn't 2 sets up when he asked for a MTO. The answer is yes, people are deranged and every fan base has crazy people. It's actually hilarious how the crazies on both sides mirror each other - whether it be PED abuse accusations or fake injury accusations or something else I'm forgetting.


Cykablet

Most people I see, me included, are just very doubtful of Novak's claim that it was an 'abdominal tear'. That seems extremely unlikely considering he was able to play just fine two days later. Personally, I am convinced that he was feeling discomfort/pain in the match against Fritz but I just can't see how it could be a muscle tear.


jaguar_loco

Nadal has now confirmed an abdominal tear, let's see if most people, you included, will be very doubtful of his claim if competes two days later Edit: or how he said he played whole USO 09 with an abdominal tear - "I remember in the US Open 2009 that I started the US Open with a strain, I think, here in the abdominal," Nadal said. "I started with 6 millimeters or so of strain and I finished the tournament, I lost in that semis against Del Potro and I finished the tournament with 26 mm." No reason for me to think he was faking it until the Delpo match


jaguar_loco

The ATP physios told him it was a tear and he got an MRI, he didn't diagnose himself nor does he gain anything from it being a tear or not and then he didn't play until mid April at MC. A tear can be a small milimeter tear, not a completely ripped muscle and he played the whole tournament under painkillers. Why would for example I not believe Nadal has a necrotic bone and Muller-Weiss disease, what would he have to gain from lying about that so as for me to not believe him and say I find it extremely unlikely he won 22 slams with it etc? Anyway that's not even the point; there were dozens upon dozens that were saying he was faking an injury in that match and took a MTO as to mess with the momentum while leading 2-0


Metazz

After watching Rafa's post match interview about his health I am kind of worried about the possibility he might have to pull out of the semi final which would be such a shame. He looked pretty downbeat when asked questions about the next match. :(