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OverwatchShake

I've been thinking -- we slowed down the courts many years ago because serves were becoming too dominant and to get a bit more play from the baseline. This meta has resulted in solid, defensively sound baseline tennis as the dominant strategy. This is fine. However, with talent becoming bigger and bigger, I foresee a time coming where big servers will once again be too hard to beat resulting in a boring sport. How does this forum feel about getting rid of the second serve and speeding up the courts a little? A single serve heightens the stakes which is good for entertainment and drama. We've all seen enough baseline rallies to last us a lifetime so I would like to make attacking serve and volley tennis viable again. Not dominant, ideally -- but viable. What say you, r/tennis?


dannylenwinn

There are big serves, then there are deceptive and well placed serves. TorqueSpin serves will always be in. Higher percentage 1st serves will always be in but even Pros and top 20s suffer and struggle with that. I feel going flat down the tee (on 1st serve) is not as in lately. I could be wrong. Cloak type serves are one in a million. (more than that) Rarely any in the top 20 have that.


aweap

Tennis is not dominated by big servers so this not required. You don't have Isner, Otto, Opelka and Cressy winning all the matches here. Besides there's lot of skill involved in returning a big serve as well, just ask Djokovic, Agassi, etc.


OverwatchShake

I agree. But in the future with the tall talent pool becoming bigger it will be an issue in the future.


aweap

We'll see when that future comes. We have always had tall players. None of them came to dominate tennis with serve alone. Goran Ivanišević is the closest example, who was number 2 and won Wimbledon, and that was 20 years ago. No other servebot has ever had that kind of success, so chill...


Muraria

Alcaraz as #1 seed in Hamburg, probably first time that he is officially the favorite going in to a tournament.


hilroo317

[North Korean TV is showing the Nadal/Djokovic French Open QF now for some reason.](https://i.imgur.com/ihnlsPC.png) They've definitely ripped this off a YouTube video and edited it with fake crowd noise and random Nadal grunts so they can put their own commentary on it.


siddharthvader

Why do they have two spaces in "Na Dal"


arvaname

so. bad news. tim doesnt like what i am doing in this sub. we had dinner today at a very quaint restaurant called bar ceno. he told me straight that he was upsert with my strainge drole, and confusing messages of him as some betrayer of oaths. i apologized profusely, but he asked me to never post of his name again. i asked if i could at least inform this community of my disappearance, he allowed. from now on, i will return only when i have miscelanious insight, but i will never again - out of respect to one of my oldest and closest, most dearest of dear friends - post of this tim van rijthoven again.


Moogy_C

Sounds like you let yourself be intimidated by an oathbreaker. Doesn't sound like a friend to me.


shegotofftheplane

😢


Styxen

Ruud not playing Hamburg makes me a bit disappointed tbh. I mean, I get that he's defending champ in Gstaad and all, but my boy still hasn't won anything above a two-fiddy :/ I thought he would go for the 500 in Hamburg


dannylenwinn

Ruud needs to hold up for his fans ! Don't disappoint them, he needs to play in these 500-1000s


PrincessGwenllian

Bublik is scheduled to play Andrey tomorrow in Hamburg......


Tibecti

Rescheduled to Tuesday. Still a tight planning...


PrincessGwenllian

Well he said in his post match interview after beating Murray when the interviewer asked him how come he seemed so focused this week he said that it was because this was his last tournament for a few weeks. Someone I follow on Twitter has been in Newport all week and bumped into him before his match against Kubler yesterday and says she asked him about Hamburg and he said that he 'forgot' he signed up for it and would be withdrawing....Granted, I do not know this woman in real life so she could be making it up but I wouldn't be shocked if he did pull out!


BrandoC95

Jesus, Bublik's such a fucking loser for that.


arvaname

i wouldnt oath that man.


shegotofftheplane

F Bublik for making Cressy feel like shit for winning his first title


dannylenwinn

Yeah, that's messed up ! Should be classy if he can


Tibecti

I didn't get why he said Cressy was "so lucky" to win and then Cressy apologizing for that. What have I missed?


PrincessGwenllian

I get him being annoyed at the crowd but don't take that out on Cressy, I mean there was no crowd worse than the AO Final against Daniil but even he managed to get it together and do a decent speech without being salty.


aweap

Bublik was up 1 set and 3-0 in second set but then had a total mental collapse. Ue's, bad dropshots and df's galore.


Tibecti

Nothing to do with luck, then.


PrincessGwenllian

Nope it was his own fault. Think in his mind the match was won and he was trying to show off and it backfired. No one but himself to blame for the loss.


dannylenwinn

Congrats to Cressy and Bublik, Bublik did well to get far at Newport. \*Applauses\*


venanole

not my king anymore


White_Nothing

Hahahaha I totally forgot about Todd Martin. Looks like he finally shaved that unibrow.


Collecting_Cans

Can we just replay this trophy ceremony on a loop for the rest of the day… lol. All kinds of weird.


Atlaffinity75

Awful from Bublik. Glad they gave him a doubles trophy lol


ExcuseYou-What

Infosys dude about Cressy: "he kind of, uh, joins an exclusive group of champions in the past." Words of wisdom, indeed. Also the wrong trophies being presented? honestly wtf Newport. E: Cressy has no need to apologize to anybody for still winning the match. His grit has gotten him far so he shouldn't have to deal with anymore impostor syndrome after this.


Diabologumm

Bublik to Cressy: "You had that great luck. Put your whole prize money on red, please, you're gonna win big." That's some serious salt. Not classy.


Conscious_Ad_1219

Sorry for the dumb question but can someone explain what that means? (“Put your prize money on red”)?


Diabologumm

Gambling on roulette. It has red, black, and either 1 or 2 green boxes that the ball can land in. If you bet on the ball landing in a red box, and it does, you double your money.


shegotofftheplane

Salty af from Bublik. What happened to our “entertaining in a good, wholesome way” king


aweap

Seriously that was a bad loss but the attitude stinks...


jchristpriv

He's been acting like a brat for most of this year


White_Nothing

Is Bublik drinking a beer? lol


billygreen23

Canned water


ExcuseYou-What

Bublik's mental strength (or lack thereof) has never been more tested and this match was basically the epitome of that. Since losing the lead in set 2, the wheels rolled off and he never got them back. Huge shame. Lost all of his serving and returning mojo, as well as awful tactics -- bit too arrogant thinking he could cope with the wind with the sloppy dropshots without actually setting up the point well. He'll rue this day a lot.


White_Nothing

This is gonna be an awkward trophy ceremony lmfao.


23HomieJ

First title for Cressy!


dannylenwinn

Congrats Max!


Orfez

Pretty big choke. Drop shot himself out of the championship.


jeffwingersballs

A nice ending for the grass season. S&V for the championship.


shegotofftheplane

Why is bublik grumpy af, didn’t even shake the umpire’s hand. Let’s go Cressy!


jeffwingersballs

Guy seems like a POS.


Diabologumm

Jeez. Match ends on a DF, and there were 20 of them this match.


LuisLeSerg

This has been a crazy match, but kudos to Cressy for believing - and what a rollercoaster player Bublik is


JadeSunMoon

Nice comeback from Cressy, well done!


ketneiz

Chipotle in shambles rn


HTMListerine

Is this first to 10 or 7?


Impressive-Ad-7191

First to 10 is only in majors 5th set


HTMListerine

It would make sense that it would also be for the third set in an ATP final, right? They should change that


dannylenwinn

Maxime Cressy takes the Newport 250 title !


jchristpriv

Damn you really paid for a profile picture


dannylenwinn

I did! Is it shitty :( Shall I revert


jchristpriv

No it's cool man! Just wouldn't pay for one myself but your money :) looks nice


dannylenwinn

Oh thanks lol you were my first comment on it and .. but thanks for the compliment - I thought it was a bit 'dashing' Lol its like digital clothes, right? like a fashion or e-fashion haha, I will save your comment


dannylenwinn

Bublik: I want to defy the crowd so bad !!!! ARGH !!


dannylenwinn

Can Bublik defy the crowd? Cressy goes up 3-1 in the deciding tiebreak.


dannylenwinn

Crowd starts cheering for Max Cressy, they want him to win.


23HomieJ

Come on Cressy


aweap

Damn! Cressy has a bad fall! Doesn't look too good 😥


LuisLeSerg

Medical timeout for Cressy just on the final mile. Let’s hope it’s fixable, he seemed to fall badly


dannylenwinn

Bublik gets boos from the crowd. Wiil he overcome this? Cressy is hurt and calls for the physio.


boylifeineu

Is Cressy gonna retire here? I want this dub for him :/


shegotofftheplane

Ouch that fall :/


OliverDMcCall

Clutch hold.


dannylenwinn

Let's go Cressy chants coming


Tricky-Author-8226

Cressy is so fucking clutch


dannylenwinn

West Coast: Let's go Cressy


Orfez

I bumped into Cressy this Friday in Newport. He was walking to the stadium to practice. Kind of hard to miss a tall guy with a tennis bag on his back wearing a tennis uniform in the middle of town.


dannylenwinn

No Cressy fans here? All the Cressy fans are at the event.


jeffwingersballs

I'm all for Cressy.


dannylenwinn

Nice, he got it.


dannylenwinn

Any Cressy fans here? No upvotes. I guess not !


HTMListerine

6-2, 3-0 and 30-40 up and look where we are now. What have you done Bublik


elizamo

Come on Alex!!!


dannylenwinn

The crowd is roaring for Bublik !!!!


dannylenwinn

Will the crowd erupt for Bublik? HE ROARS !!!!


White_Nothing

Bublik looks like he is playing in boxer briefs


Orfez

Bublik keeps going for a drop shot against Cressy who wants nothing more than playing at the net.


dannylenwinn

Cressy has no weapons or tools (besides playing at the net)


Orfez

Good serves and good valleys, that's his weapon.


dannylenwinn

Cressy: I can't do damage to you on the returns !


dannylenwinn

Bublik, you must not beat yourself now, this match is on your racquet


aweap

Who's giving that robotic background score to this match?! 🤨


Jkpttr

imagine some troll tennis fan in a fire truck is sitting outside the stadium using the sirens during cressy’s serve LOL


Styxen

Bublik not looking like a guy just playing for a paycheck, as he has previously said


dannylenwinn

Who's for Alexander Bublik?


Orfez

Bublik screams encouragement in English and swears in Russian so not to be penalized - high IQ play.


dannylenwinn

Anyone from SoCal or Los Angeles here rooting for Cressy? I guess not.


Jkpttr

i really like motivated bublik


dannylenwinn

Boston and Los Angeles: Let's go Cressy ! 2 break chances missed.


dannylenwinn

Another break point, Cressy missed his volley !


dannylenwinn

It's 'can' drinking day (at the tennis event), even the players are drinking from cans. This is new to me ! (I hope it's not beer that the players are sipping, kidding)


Jkpttr

the newport tournament has been selling dasani cans to avoid single use plastic


zombiezebra1990

Why did Bublik tank the second? Anyone knows?


dannylenwinn

So we can see more tennis (ticket holders get more tennis), kidding, no idea actually.


White_Nothing

Bublik lmfao


colby983

Wish I could see the ball in Newport


arvaname

FRIEND. do you TINK you need to SEE the ball. ​ comprehend the magi of the feet ​ you can come ​ you can rise ​ if you shatter the seventh height ​ if you rely on seeing the ball ​ you have missed ruud's call ​ this is a sport of ballerina ​ this is not the bloodman's war ​ is it good to see the ball? ​ is it good to walk through the hall, listening to the devl's call? ​ no no friend. ​ we must disparage the ninth passage ​ we must reject the temptation's call ​ we must turn to pestulent fodder, ​ i potificated for nineteen years, ​ as an apprentice to armegeddan's fear. ​ i've come with valor, merit, and gold ​ and i can say ​ concrete as can be ​ this is the time ​ to reject the eye ​ join the strap ​ tigthen the chant ​ knock them out ​ fight the war ​ win the battle ​ CALL THE OATH OF THE SEVENTH EYE


dannylenwinn

Maxime Grassy


jeffwingersballs

THIS IS THE LAST SET OF TENNIS ON GRASS IN TWENTY-TWENTY TWO


dannylenwinn

Yay


dannylenwinn

Are you guys rooting for Cressy or Bublik?


Forward_Lychee_1407

Bublik


Adventurelynd

Cressy. I would hate for him to lose three finals this year.


thelife3

Do you guys think Cressy continues or does Bublik have the mental to turn this around?


ExcuseYou-What

Cressy's always trying, at least. I never think of him as tanking anything. It all depends on if Bublik can keep making it a tight match or not.


thelife3

Bublik was making every first serve and returning better than Djokovic, but now he’s cooled off.


Forward_Lychee_1407

DAMN, least what I expected from Bublik, and I´m surprised at myself how I didn´t expect that, hope he can fight in the last one


shegotofftheplane

Cressy served a virtual bagel (6 games in a row)


JadeSunMoon

6 straight games, wow!


shegotofftheplane

Bublik has lost all focus and will


jeffwingersballs

If Nick Kyrgios, Kokkinakis, Bublik, Opelka and Fat Sock were ever on team world for Laver Cup, could we call them Pirates of the Caribean?


thelife3

I’m genuinely shocked that Cressy is alive in this match


Tricky-Author-8226

RIP 6-2 3-0


zombiezebra1990

That aged well.


Fried_falafel

And here comes the swearing


Fried_falafel

Bublik is calling someone “a fucking clown”


Elonmuskishuman

Bublik choking again


elizamo

Come on Bublik! Don’t let this slip away!!


Fried_falafel

Damn Cressy has about zero baseline game…


Individual-Safety-50

Most Bublik game I've seen entire torunament.


Tricky-Author-8226

Ayo Bublik wtf


aweap

I feel bad for Cressy...like losing a third final in a year is got to be really demoralizing.


Forward_Lychee_1407

feel bad for Krajinovic...


Tricky-Author-8226

He's gonna win Hamburg next week. Just you wait.


aweap

Yeah I mean Krajinovic, Shelby Rogers, Tomljanovic...lots of such senior players are yet to win a title, sadly.


23HomieJ

At the same time, his gotten a massive boost in ranking and onto the main tour.


Forward_Lychee_1407

Crazy returns this match from Sashka


gifpornx

Bublik is almost untouchable at Newport this year. If he only played like this for most of the season.


Just_A_Regular_Mouse

Jinxed it


gifpornx

I knew I shouldn’t write that lol


zombiezebra1990

He needs to bagel him, now.


Forward_Lychee_1407

yeah, would be cool Bublik doing a Bublik in the Final


Tricky-Author-8226

Cressy doing his best Sam Querrey R1 vs Murray impression


Tricky-Author-8226

This didn't age well :\]


jgwil2

Bublik beard bad


YIV33

That's how you return against serve+volley =)


YIV33

Aliassime should take some lessons how to play against Cressy. From Bublik.


Tricky-Author-8226

Looks like Cressy is the one taking lessons from Felix on how to lose finals


Slambodog

There's a line from *The West Wing* where President Bartlett says the hardest thing to do in sports is to go into the locker room at halftime when you're losing during the Super Bowl and throw out the strategy that got you there. Cressey needs a new strategy...


ketneiz

Bublik getting great passing shots on Cressy


Forward_Lychee_1407

I think that´s the strategy against a serve and volleyer


Bakio-bay

Why wasn’t Djokovic banned from the Wimbledon and us open last year for nit being vaxxed?


Slambodog

Because vaccine mandates for entry didn't exist in those countries at that time


Geneten48

Has Shapo been coaching Cressy behind the scenes?


Forward_Lychee_1407

why are they not showing Bublik´s replays? that was such a return!


shegotofftheplane

Cressy plays unnecessarily stupid tennis at the worst times


ticholasn

Bulblik’s pants are a crime against humanity


Jkpttr

bublik looks so solid


TuneSquadFan4Ever

I know that Cressy's notebook is probably mostly inspirational stuff but I like to imagine he just read the Baby Steps manga and went "Fuck yeah I can do this"


zombiezebra1990

Have a feeling that Cressy will bottle this.


arin_is_salty

Hope cressy wins


Forward_Lychee_1407

Hope Bublik wins


TuneSquadFan4Ever

Bublik vs Cressy I'm so ready for the clown show LET'S GO


White_Nothing

Oh Dasha...


Slambodog

Siniakova serving for the match! Let's not have a repeat of Thursday, okay...


Kahn-wald

Kasatkina was up 4-1 or something lol


mertz97

4 2 40 15


dannylenwinn

So do you guys think Wu Yibing can be a top 25-50 player on the Men's ATP tour?


Kahn-wald

He has the talent, but I guess he should focus on getting to the TOP 100 first which he can do it.


mertz97

Kasatkina lost 30 0 service game and followed it up by losing 40 15 servise game. I think she lost to many chances to win this match


Kreijoc

Honestly pretty sus.


mertz97

honestly just Kasatkina stuff, I'm not really surprised


thelife3

Kasatkina literally has a better chance winning return games than service games


thelakeshow7

What a point Dasha


bingewatcherAT

again


Classics22

Goddamn that point by Kasatkina to break was insane


thelife3

Imagine if Kasatkina could serve


bingewatcherAT

damn Dasha sent Siniakova from one end of the court to another


bingewatcherAT

omg Adidas why are you doing Dasha so dirty?


throbdannway

Why do fans value Rafa’s 11-13 run more than Novak’s? Both won 5 GS each and both won in more than 1 surface. Sure, he beat Novak at the USO but it’s still not his preferred GS surface (in fact, Nadal may be better than Novak in the USO surface).


White_Nothing

Vamos Dasha!


monsieurartois

Rather a cracking good match, this, Kasatkina vs Siniakova. Both are streaky and vulnerable against all sorts of opponents, you never know when they'll bring their best. Onto the 3rd set now.


Sad_Consideration_49

Wow just saw this tweet about Henin's peak. She reached 13 Slam SF from 2003-2007. Only WTA player to reach all slam finals in a calendar year this century. Her H2H against rivals in slams during that period was: 4-1 against serena, 4-0 against davenport, 5-0 against clijsters, 5-1 against kuznetsova, 2-1 against sharapova


noMoreRegression

Wu Yibing is the Rome champion!


dannylenwinn

Defeats Ben Shelton 7-5, 6-3! Well done! Yibing has also won previous Challenger and Future titles in the last few months. He has proven he can beat someone like Jason Kubler, and Kubler got to Semifinals in Newport, Kubler beat FAA, Jordan Thompson, and Duckworth. (Kubler has had trouble with Norrie and Fritz at RG and Wimbledon) So perhaps we shall see Yibing at the 250 level very very soon. Shelton has had trouble with both these guys (probably age and experience), he has been defeated by both Kubler and Yibing recently.


lostinmoss

>He has proven to be better than Kubler in a matchups No? His only win over Kubler was due to Kubler retiring, Kubler won their completed match in the previous tournament.


dannylenwinn

They are tied for now, 1 and 1. I'm sure they'll meet each other again many times. lostinmoss, Who are your current favorites to be the best in Challengers in the upcoming months?


noMoreRegression

Wu was one set up but I don't know when Kubler got injured. Kubler played and won a lot in that period so probably too tired.


ExcuseYou-What

I believe he ended up over-hydrating as a means of coping with the hot and humid conditions, so he was both quite clammy by the end of set 2, and extremely inhibited in terms of needing to revisit the restroom frequently (which he had asked the umpire about and when he wasn't allowed to go, he retired and quickly dashed off the court).