By - NextGenBot
man ruud gave that away, so many errors
Vamos Carlos…get that tiebreak!
It's been years that I haven't felt this excited about tennis. The quality of tennis this tournament is celestial. What the young players are bringing is fresh and exciting. There was novelty in that Alcaraz-Sinner epic.
Then yesterday's semi.. "I'm putting my heart on the fucking line, I'm putting my heart on the fucking line" Yes you did Frances, I've rarely seen such grit and passion on court. You inspired all of us.
I feel you. Alcaraz vs Ruud is so exciting. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few more of those battles in the slams too.
Kinda wish the boys had an extra day off or two before the final. Seems like fatigue should be taken out of the equation as much as possible for the best result.
Who do most people here support, carlos or ruud?
I'm honestly torn. I was pulling for both throughout and they end up in the final. Carlos being the young winner would be so epic, but Ruud put on a masterclass in his Semifinal. To me I feel like Ruud is the slightly better player right now, but Carlos will have the greater career when it's all said and done.
How good is it that the two meme champions the sub fell in love with this year, “Real Deal” and “JAAAA”, are going to battle for their first slam and the #1 spot?
"Okay boomer" moment but it still feels like if Novak or Rafa were able to play and properly fit they'd probably be in this final or winning the title.
But maybe that's how it goes. We all think it'll be like USO 2021 where it's big 3 vs non-big 3 and big 3 start losing, but maybe it's more like this.
There's been exciting 5 setters, especially Alc vs Sin, but could also argue both had many lapses that turned it into 5 sets. Against an in-form big 3 that was probably a 3 or 4 setter in their favour.
Rafa played and he lost. No need to imagine an alternate universe. And obviously would a younger, close to the peak, Rafa win the title in this field.
It's not so much about that as much as most had a view that we'd see more of the likes of US Open 2021 finals. The big 3 playing decent and still getting beaten by better, younger players.
My point is to suggest it may well not be like that at all. There is no real passing of the torch per se, aka big 3 losing in a final, but rather patchy and inconsistent performances as they get older.
> There is no real passing of the torch per se, aka big 3 losing in a final, but rather patchy and inconsistent performances as they get older.
This is the early 2000s with the only difference being there was a Big2 instead of a Big3
The US Open isn't really the best tournament for that, since it's know for being unpredictable.
For RG, Rafa probably won't lose it in his remaining active career.
So there's the Australian Open and Wimby left, time will tell if the younger generation can finally beat them at these tournaments.
I just realized I have a thing tomorrow and am gonna miss the whole womens finals. Nooooooooo :(((
Last 3 years we’ve had some weird USO finals in the men’s side
2019 - expected straight setter went to 5
2020 - no comments
2021 - expected 5 setter became a straight setter
Wonder what we have in store this year.
Straight sets but the second set tiebreak is 28-26
Alcaraz retires in the 3rd game due to fatigue.
If we’re going by the totally unexpected, it would be Casper in straights.
I want to see Carlos vs Novak over 5 on hard courts
Wonder if anyone correctly predicted that Med would take last year’s final in 3
Ruud's in for another GS final against a Spaniard. I love this simulation
And both the times he defeated a player with height 1.98 m in the semis.
Active mens players with slam finals appearances on multiple surfaces in a single season
1) Roger Federer
2) Rafa Nadal
3) Novak Djokovic
4) Andy Murray
5) Casper Ruud
Big 5 😍😍
At least the new #1 will not be slamless like Rios. It would be worse if Alcaraz lost today and Ruud became #1 and lost the final
Alcaraz will get the crowd momentum on sunday, right. Poor Ruud. Go Ruud!
I'm already so anxious for Iga's final
Anyone know if Alcaraz has done his press conference yet??
Now please can anyone tell what are the chances of Nadal being year end number 1?
Slim. He has gotta hope for Ruud win in the final, and Ruud to lose in the ATP finals as he is defending points there. As well as Nadal probably needs to win the ATP finals.
Well looks like it won't happen anymore. History shows Nadal's year end season is bad. And Alcaraz and rudd and other guys will do anything to raise their rankings after us open. And Nadal's Ranking will decrease. He just bottled the most golden opportunity but we move on. Just want to see the man on court for more time.
Choker is such an overly used word in this sub as if they don't have any idea how brutal the tennis point system is. You literally have four points to win the game and three points to get the breakpoint and then reset. Not a huge accumulative lead. So I don't think Alcaraz or even Frances or Sinner are the chokers but Alcaraz needs to convert his break points in big matches, actually, his career average is okay so he is capable of that.
I think one of the reasons his matches went to five sets was because he couldn't able to convert crucial points and his game is so lightning fast that opponents couldn't get through him since he is everywhere so you got the steal-mate and there is no other way but to decide in a five setter. To his credit, on his own serve, he rarely made the errors though.
Watched Karen’s press conference and he’s so thoughtful and well spoken. Also his English is way better than Mr. Native speaker Nick Kyrgios
The real tragedy come Sunday will be Carlitos winning his first slam in that fugly Nike shirt
I don't care as long as he wins 🤞🥺
Do you think we will get to see New Grand Slam Winners in Men's Singles in Majors other than USO from next year onwards ??
Nah. Nadal and Djokovic usually are never fresh during the us open run. Once they are having a bad day in this tournament, they just lose. It's hard for them to keep a high intensity in all of the matches. Australia is Djokovic's home. Even Nadal who didn't win for many years competes at a higher level in Australia. They have the energy to grind out in five sets for the first six or seven months. Even Djokovic can't keep his level in the year end anymore. He hasn't won the atp finals since 2015.
> Nadal and Djokovic usually are never fresh during the us open run
Ruud has played the second most matches of anyone of the mens side over the last year and Alcaraz is seventh.
Yeah but how old are Rafa and Novak vs them?!
Who's the first one?
No one has seen the future already we will see what happens next year
Well if a Djokovic or Nadal wins the Australian open, then the same story will repeat. Besides history is on line for this two for getting the most grandslams. And Rafa and Djoker are mental giants when competing at the highest level. If the new guys win, hope to see them beating the old guards next year. That will be monumental.
Yes if Ruud wins maybe if Alcaraz does.
I think chances of Ruud vs Alcaraz meeting in RG23 final is fairly high.
Which Majors you think ??
Probably not Wimbledon but none of the others would surprise me.
Still sad that Sinner lost :(. Great match though by Alcaraz
Man what a great match! Wish for Carlos' sake it wasn't another 5 setter lol because I hope he's not physically/mentally burnt out like Novak was in the 2021 us open final. It'll be really cool (as I may have stated in prior daily threads) to see Carlos become the only ever male teen to be world no1.
Burnt out like Nishikori was in the 2014 final having already battled Novak, Stan and Raonic in previous rounds...
Yes but Nishi, for all his talent, is made out of glass. Alcaraz already seems much more durable.
I was talking about that 1 specific final match, not the rest of his career. He had spectacular movement but by the end of the second week was thoroughly spent.
Yeah but I've seen Nishi loads of times go through an epic 5 setter and win it because he's super clutch, then look flat in the next match and lose in straights. He doesnt seem to recover well generally.
He was doing that remarkably well in those two breakout weeks of his. Much like Alcaraz had spent upwards of 14-15 hrs in the 3 matches going into the final.
Does Djoker go back to number 1 if he wins his next tournament?
His next tournament is a 250 so no.
If Ruud wins he has a *very* small amount of points to defend for quite a while.
Less sure for Alcaraz.
I still don’t understand where Ruud got his points from to be contending for number 1. Not hating, I just don’t follow ATP closely
He's like Pegula of ATP, except he wins the 250's at least.
Won some clay 250s, French Open finalist, Miami Masters finalist, and good runs at most of the other Masters and some 500s.
This must be the youngest men’s final in awhile
Was a bit Rocky there in the middle but I think the men and women both ended up with great matchups for the final
Take a bow Carlos
The women’s final doesn’t have *quite* the same implications because
*gestures at Iga’s trophy case*
But we’ve got one vs. two in the rankings playing in the finals for both singles US Open Championships.
How do the Spanish players have such good endurance? The weather and training conditions? Playing on clay? Advances in recovery and nutrition?
Don’t ask questions you don’t want the answers to?
You know the answer deep down
Are you implying they have a secret ped?
Hard work, natural talent, and/or diet supplements ?
Frances Tiafoe, Jannik Sinner, and Karen Khachanov can leave this tournament with their head held very high. Monumental achievements for all men.
Tiafoe can leave knowing he's broken the US Open's men's tiebreak record and fought extremely hard from the brink in this match to extend his battle for the match of his life. Sinner can know that he partook in one of the most meaningful and heartfelt Slam matches that has ever been contended for this generation of men's tennis. Khachanov can internalize the fact that as the "far inferior opponent" (NYTimes), he still managed to take the legs away from the crowd's and odds' favorite for a huge career achievement after he was totally written off.
All 3 men deserve to have their name be known. I don't think *anybody* expected the 3 of them to all make such an impact together, but it was all for the better of this tournament. Their talent will never be for naught. (TLDR - I hope none of them have an emotional letdown post-USO)
If you're Sinner, does it feel better that the guy who beat you is winning, or does it feel worse?
Losing to thr eventual champion gives the loss more meaning and easier to have perspective.
Better since they’re good friends.
Better I think. You didn’t die in vain
besides they are still best friends
Can’t help but be a tad suspicious about the stanima of alcaraz.
ya because hard work, practice, and dedication have literally no meaning, no, it has to be PEDs, SMH. Just look at how much he moves on the court it's not like he woke up suddenly and decided to move like that, he must be practising for it daily. Besides PEDs only help in fast recovery, it doesn't make you a fast athlete while you chill on the sofa, lol.
I agree, it doesn’t transfer to tennis skills, stroke production and movement. However, like any other remarkable athletic feat, it warrants suspicion.
I mean he's 19 and in excellent shape lol. I was relatively outta shape at 19 and even I had a shit load of stamina
Exactly his testosterone levels will be on a higher side than the average adult, I clean bulked heavily when I was of that age
I suppose so. More often we see younger players cramp or fatigue/not possess this kind physical endurance. He’s a total outlier in this respect.
It’s called being 19.
"Everyone's on steroids" - Nate Diaz
Sometimes i think most players get there A game against carlos.
He has lot to fight for.
If we see the same players play against the big 3 they play like amateurs.
Carlos has to climb a mountain each fuckinggg time.
They want to beat him so bad, but there's no intimidation factor, so he gets the worst of both worlds.
Everyone knows they have to get him now.
We know this because they usually tell us.
My favourite part of grand slam season is casuals finding out what we have to deal with the whole year with McEnroes
Kinda funny how Carlos has won over the people on this sub who were dragging him before the start of this tournament 👀
Anyone knows the time on court between Alca and Ruud?
If you use Google and search “us open”, it will show the match time accordingly to your local time. For me its 1pm Pacific Time, so 4pm in Eastern.
Oh I meant the total time they spent on the court. It was 20 for Alca and 18 for Ruud just in case you wanted to know.
I somehow read both their names as Alucard. Time to sleep
That is the best possible nickname for their rivalry.
Hell of a run from Frances. Schwartzmann, Nadal, Rublev and THEN Alcaraz. Outclassed 3/4 and brought an absolute fight to Carlitos
Chuck said enough with the chicanery
Ok buddy stop with the chicanery
i see another person of culture in here...what were your thoughts about the end
Redemption achieved at great cost, but dignity is worth more. 10/10
IDK about redemption. In Kim's eyes, maybe, but I can see him being old Slippin' Jimmy in jail for sure.
I think the real redemption was rejecting the plea deal. He could have Jimmy'ed his way out, and was well on his way to, but finally realized he needed to fundamentally change. Kim may have been a catalyst for the change, but I think he finally understood that the way he was inevitably hurt people, and he decided he had to stop the cycle. Anyway, what a match!
Alcaraz the definite favorite but the extended 5 setters slightly evens the chances imo. The first set will set the tempo.
Excellent tournament but huge missed opportunities for many players. Ruud capitalized it well and is 1 win away from World No 1. As for Alcaraz, he’d have reached the final even if it was Nadal instead of Tiafoe imo.
Nadal didn't raise his level throughout the match with tiafoe even after losing two sets. His level was low in all of his matches. Once he faced an inform player, he was out.
Debatable, Nadal gets to another level late in slams.
Yeah but not this tournament, sadly. His level was low throughout the Tiafoe match, for example. Which I'd argue is rare, as usually he pulls out something out of the hat.
Agreed but as I said, just my opinion. His new service motion is taking him time to adapt. But anyway he lost in R4 itself so hypotheticals remain hypotheticals
I feel a lot more optimistic about the state of tennis after the big 3 than I did a few months ago
Great win for Carlos and Tiafoe gave him a good battle.Picking Carlos over Ruud in the final on the basis Carlos has all the tools and talent to beat anyone right now.I also think Ruud is more of a baseline player and Carlos will exploit the net.
Youngest ranked ATP number 2 players
Pretty good company for Charlie
Can become the youngest no 1 ever by a year and 2 months
Alcaraz has now played three 5-Set Matches consecutively(R16- Cilic , QF- Sinner and SF - Tiafoe) in order to reach his Maiden Grand Slam Final
That’s a former Grand Slam Champion, the second best extremely young player, and a top 30 player with the ability to beat *anyone* when he’s on a heater—and he’s been smoking.
Now Iga might give a glimpse on Carlos?
Gotta get that W first
I think Tiafoe could be crying in the locker room. I feel his tears
This could be his 2007 Wimby moment. Next year he comes out and wins it
Reminded me of Murray’s teary speech at 2012 Wimbledon. We shall see.
That broke my heart.
Good to hear Carlos speaking in Spanish.
Del Potro was cutoff when he asked to speak in Spanish after he won the US Open in 2009.
Except for aces, Alcaraz was better in every stat today. Incredible.
For the first time in 24 years a mens slam winner will have their first name beginning with C, amazing achievement.
Random but sincerely appreciated
I hope to work for ESPN in the future, getting in some practice.
Was the last one Carlos Moya?
Casper was born the year he won that slam. Is this a sign 👀
You may be onto something, I will add this to the US open lore
Who do you think the crowd will back on Sunday?
The underdog at any given point in the match. They'll want a close 5 set match
Who is the underdog though?
Whoever is falling behind in any given set during the match. They'll want their money's worth. They'll root for a thrilling 5 set match
Carlos for sure.
Alcaraz by a mile!
I think so too! I'm curious how Ruud will respond. Nothing seems to faze him on court.
Don't get me wrong here. I respect and admire and have been very entertained by the big 3 for the last 10 to 15 years.
How awesome is it to have a semis and a final without any of them and where it's not a consolation prize. All 4 of these young players are fantastic!
Sunday is going to be awesome and I'm greatly looking forward to it.
Anyways i hope we can see a Djokovic vs Nadal this year after us open again or in Australia. And for god sake, i hope Nadal makes it competitive in a hardcourt .
I just like it because yeah, you might be number one and you won a major, but you know who's waiting for you next year. It sets it up perfectly. It sets it up even better than when Thiem won because Alcaraz appears to be a better player.. and if Ruud wins, he made two finals on different surfaces (and would have won 1) so he's coming for the big boys too. I love this!
Ruud is an easier match for Alcaraz than Tiafoe and Sinner. Tiafoe and Sinner attack second serves quite well, while Ruud returns second serves from way back. This will give Carlos comfortable holds.
I think you got the point here
Yeah, but also fatigue (mental and physical) and nerves are going to be a factor.
Sad that Tiafoe looked so tired by that last set and didn’t try for a good amount of shots. Really wish he at least got a fight in that last set he wouldn’t regret. Totally understandable how winded he was but Alcatraz’s stamina is just unreal.
The only thing he would have done is getting his first serves in. Services let him down today.
I didnt catch the third set. What happened there?
NOW wtf am I gonna watch? I sure as hell can't go to sleep.
Watch Medvedev vs Nadal final from Aus open. Full match on YouTube.
I might need this. Thanks.
2008 Wimbledon is on YouTube too.
Good luck. That's brutal. Hopefully you can sleep till noon.
I love Carlos’ love for his coach so much, especially since it’s so obviously reciprocated. Juanki ❤️
This USO did one thing
That's telling me that there is hope after Big 3 retirement
As I said earlier..
Rafa Nadal Academy vs Rafa as a boy
You got a guy from a place of ice being trained with fire
a guy from a place of fire with ice in his veins
First ever Norwegian in US Open Final too. Either way both outcomes are amazing for Spain and Spanish domination in tennis.
Can you imagine Rafa's advice...neither of you are gonna give up on any ball. Ugh I'm so psyched for this epic final
Rafa Nadal Academy vs JCF and Associates Academy (if I read Ferrero's shirt right)
Serena is retiring so it's ok
Yeah, exactly. Based on this interview, you'd think Tiafoe is retiring or dying.
I think they were showing friends and family? Or important people who just happen to be of color? Like a former first lady?
What year is it?
Using the word ironically
The Rafa and Andrey fan in me was giggling until they interviewed Big Foe 😩😩😩
The ups and downs lmao I’m LIVING. Carlos needs drama as much as possible in these top matches. I also may have sobbed a bit through Frances being interviewed and Carlos speaking Spanish.
Honestly athletes recovering from huge losses like this amazes me i wouldn’t want to talk to anyone for at least a month
But you received half million check on this one, so I am not sure
I hope the finals will be dramatic
Casper squanders CP then Carlos then supertiebreaker
ESPN did a segment on Tiafoe’s journey. His run here has been monumental for AMERICAN tennis. That’s why they wanted to put a bow on it. Of course McEnroe made it awkward- but I don’t think Tiafoe took away from Carlitos moment- he actually shortened the interview. Weirdos
I agree - I didn't see the ESPN thing cos I'm in Scotland, but know his story. For the USA, seeing the birth of a new superstar, it was important for him to have a moment at the end. I have utterly no doubt he marches on and takes every single bit of tonight and turns it into success..whether he can take it back to Carlito is another story but for now when he wakes up tomorrow I cannot see him being too down on himself. Instead, take it to the practice courts and get better. OK um going to bed.
Yeah and the unusual interview timing would have made sense if they had explained any of that at all, and didn’t punctuate it with awkward pauses and following him down the hallway, again without any meaningful comment or explanation. You’ll think it was McEnroe’s first time doing this for a living.
What McEnroe say
Agreed like that's 100% why they did it and I get it because ESPN and American coverage was really hyping up this match and they felt like they didn't want to leave the crowd hanging
But again, they needed a better MC and someone who didn't unintentionally humiliate him, especially as he left smh
First grand slam final for both Alcaraz and Ruud after Ruud didn’t show up for his French Open final lol
Let’s fucking goooo alcaraz!!!!!! Props to tiafoe he dug deep besides being a clearly less talented player. Alcaraz is defying endurance by winning 3 back to back 5 setters. He makes shit harder than he needs to. Should’ve beaten cilic in 4, sinner in 3, and tiafoe in 4. I want to say he beats ruud, but he can’t continue to flub up the big points. If ruud comes in nervous, he’ll get destroyed because Alcaraz is so composed. But we’ll see. Imagine if Alcaraz wins in 5
He reminded me a lot of Roddick back in the 2000s this match. Not as talented and needs some work on consistency but still tried to play every point til the end and somehow stretched what seemed to be a pretty lopsided match to a 5 setter.
Looking forward to how he develops even more going forward, I think he has a really bright future.
I concur with this that he should make shit easier, and win sooner, 3 or 4 sets.
Can’t think of anyone more deserving to be at this final on Sunday! Three five setters, won each match on his own merits, great sportsmanship, nice guy. Good luck Carlos! You are born to be a champion!
"*My English is getting better, but it's not the best one, but I'll switch to Spanish -- [...]*" - Alcaraz
I got nothing on the Spanish.
I was waiting for the Spanish translations, awww man
It was all the same stuff he said in English, he just added that he plays for himself, his family, but also for you (us).
I caught like 30% of it. Duolingo has failed me.
Give Carlos a two full nights of sleep and the man is bound to be dangerous come Sundee.
Two nights? He has several hours of activity left tonight. Cool down and presser will take a while. He's lucky if he manages to get some sleep Saturday night.