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Will TC show Domi’s match tomorrow?
What happened to the quality moderation team this sub used to have?
This used to be a well run sub, it's kinda amateurish now
Don't even have the important Match Threads in 2022 recorded for posterity
Well... we didn't do Match Threads this year after Australia. That's why they aren't there. It's actually been a somewhat divisive topic: do we need match threads for say, a slam final, when that's the only match on? We've ostensibly decided against it
I can see the logic of since it’s the only match on - then why not just use the daily thread - so yes, functionally, agree that there’s not much difference there.
But I also feel like slams are just different and think they deserve their own threads. I think most sports leagues would have separate threads for its final, because it’s special and noteworthy. Personally, I looked forward to the pre-match and match threads. Commenting in the daily threads for slam finals just felt a bit..off.
I really don't understand this. I feel people can save any day's discussion thread they wish to revisit in future...I mean I presume thats the only reason they want it.
Stef is trying to outdo Kyrgios for dumb tweets in 2022 on his burner it seems
Lol what's his burner @?
https://twitter.com/stiopkyn/status/1571065173930283008?s=46&t=FbFoKLTsi_9JjeqgN9GEkQ here is the account
Whelp, that was a thrashing by Finland against New Zealand, 5-0. No real surprise in the singles, but they would have been expected to win the doubles match with Michael Venus and Sitak. It was nice to make it to group 1 for the first time since the 90s, but you get the feeling it's going to be a long time away if ever that we can ever be there on a regular basis.
As much criticism as Emma gets I forget she's just 19 freaking years old! Like holy crap she's basically still a teenager. If she didn't do anything for the next 5 years I wouldn't hold it against her. She's already accomplished more than anyone I know at her age. She has a great future ahead of her even if she just becomes an ok player. The expectations we have of her are just ridiculous.
That last ball was definitely in from how I can see it and I understand why Katerina didn't concede the point due to all the match points but it's sad to see that she didn't concede it in the end and show some sportsmanship
She had a play on the ball. She shouldn't have conceded the point. Would they have been allowed to replay the point?
Well, it was Siniakova's 6th match point that Friedsam was trying to save, but indeed she may have just been screwed by multiple poor calls from the linesmen (one overruled, then the next not). Anyone still think we don't need Hawk-eye in every tournament everywhere?
Congrats to Kateřina on a fantastic day of tennis! Onto the final.
Hawkeye costs between $60,000 and $70,000 per court per tournament (per ESPN). For comparison, the winner of the Portoroz tourney gets $27,000. There just isn't enough money to get Hawkeye outside of the bigger tourneys right now. The price of the technology should hopefully fall over time.
I wonder how much that Cyclops machine cost.
How much does a full crew of linesmen cost for two courts, day and night, for over a week, including food and housing?
Good question. According to the article below, they get paid a few hundred a day and only the Slams cover housing, etc...
I ask this because when I was at the Open last week I found myself talking to someone who worked in that industry (linesman coordination I believe), and he said that Hawkeye pays for itself in two to three years
Did they say if that is for Hawkeye Live (real-time line calling) or for the challenge system?
Friedsam got fucked over at the end there but good match by Siniakova, especially considering this was her second match of the day.
WTF. 6 match points. The last one gets replayed after a bad out call on a Siniakova ball. On the replay, a Friedsam ball is erroneously called out. No overrule. How do they not have a challenge system in Slovenia
Someone posted above, but it's a 250. The winner gets $27k and if you saw much of the tournament the attendance has been paltry. They just can't afford the costs of challenge systems in tournaments like these. Yea it's unfair to the players but that's the reality of it.
They're paying 24 or so linesmen for a week. You gotta figure they're getting paid 2 grand a week each, plus another grand to feed and house them. That's $72k. I can't imagine the installation of a Hawkeye system wouldn't pay for itself in a couple of years
All those numbers seem wildly unrealistic lol...The US Open as of 2011 paid $250/day for line officials and that's a grand slam. Zero chance a WTA 250 pays 2 grand for a week even 10 years later.
Also as far as I understand the cost of hawkeye is per tournament. That $70k isn't just an one time expense.
The technology simply isn't realistic at this stage for such smaller tournaments. Maybe they can employ cheaper technology just for challenge calls but that's not a substitute for line officials, so it's just additional expense for these tournaments, and at least for Portoroz, judging by the attendance they aren't looking to lose even more money lol.
The article we're all looking at is not logically consistent, at one point it says 650 a day for low level tournaments, another place it says 250 a day for slams
Wonder if they're combining room and board stipends with pay. Either way though I can't imagine at this point hawkeye live would make financial sense, especially since that number ESPN floated is per court. For Portoroz, you'd need two systems pushing the figure to $120-140k, and if you chose to skip for court 2 then you'd still need to hire line officials for that court.
I know, it's crazy now that we have so many years of success with it in most places. It just shows how the old pre-tech way was unfair on players and on the umpire, who only overrule if they feel certain. Even the years of Challenges were rough, with players thrown off mentally (should I have challenged that, etc.)
Wozniacki lost the final match of her career over a bad challenge. I don't forget
Did she run out of challenges before needing one desperately, was that the situation?
No, it was a bad challenge. She challenged a ball that was in. It was at Deuce, the last game of the match (5-6, I think)
Poor Siniakova, that was a hard way to end a match even when you win :(
Amazing by Anna to save match point so many times regardless outcome
God, Katya is like the Energizer Bunny out there
Does anyone know what the theoretical highest amount of ranking points you could obtain is if you only played as many challenger events as possible?
4745 points, if you played the highest ranking challenger for each week. I got this by literally just counting up the points using the challenger tour 2022 wiki page. For reference this would put the player at 7th in the current rankings, well ahead of Djokovic and just behind Tsitsipas.
1. I was adding it up without writing it down and I didn't check afterwards, so I could be a bit off.
2. I think there are rules about entering challengers once you're at a certain ranking, which would probably affect the player, so this isn't the actual number someone could reach.
Isn't there a limit to how many tournaments you can count in your ranking?
Yep, though I think the limit on how many challengers a top something player can play would come into account before that, so I listed it as the main issue. I don't really want to spend more of my time doing math for this though, so who knows
It would not. I did the math below. You can count 7 x 125 max, which would get you to 52 in the world right now. You have to be Top 10 to be ineligible for Challengers
Also, I just verified that non-top 50 players can have more than 7 "other" tournaments count towards their ranking. Juncheng Shang has 17 other tournaments counted, a mix of futures and challengers.
That's actually not quite correct. The best 7 others only counts for players who would be eligible for playing all mandatory ranking tournaments, which presumably our theoretical player wouldn't be at the start of their weird campaign. Also, it's 9 "other" tournaments for this year due to Wimbledon and Shanghai getting dropped. From there we could also have the theoretical player go through qualifying to get a few more points. So if our player did perfect scheduling, they could possibly get this: 8x100 and 2x125 to enter the top 50, waiting to enter with the 100 point challenger on the week of September 5th. This makes sure they only have one mandatory tournament counted towards their ranking (Paris) so their 5 wildcard tournaments will still count. Luckily, their are 5x125 tournaments left at this point in the season so they could play those. This leaves us with a grand total of 1675 points, or the current #24 in the rankings. Qualifying points would make a slight difference, but not enough to change the ranking.
Edit: I see you just stealth edited rather than responding to this, so I didn't have a chance to respond to your query.
You can count your 7 best results from Challengers in your ATP rankings. If you win 7x Challengers, that's 875 ranking points.
That would put you around Top 50. If you were ranked Top 50, you'd have direct entry to all the Slams and most Masters. You would be penalized for skipping those events if you're eligible
Does anyone know what happened with the Arevalo-Gonzalez, Marcelo - Moller, Elmer match?
On the one hand, I want a quick Siniakova victory so she's fresh for tomorrow. On the other hand, though, I need to start cleaning my apartment as soon as the match is over
Sock and Ram trying to close out the Dutch and keep USA hopes alive.
What? The Dutch already won after the 2-0 in singles earlier today
Wasn't there a possibility that the US wouldn't qualify for Malaga if they lost all three matches? My bad if that wasn't the case.
USA and Netherlands were both already qualified. They had 2 wins each while UK and Kazahstan have 0.
Alright, that I don’t know. Anyway good they won the doubles.
I really love the contrast in styles between ram and sock
Kateřina said hmmm, Elena delivered two breadsticks today? I can do that :)
Didn't realize Lotto gave Katya separate day and night outfits
Edit: Oh, wait, she's just wearing the long sleeve shirt on top, she wore it under the short sleeve for the day match
It's like 57°F in Portoroz tonight, she's got all the layers she could find!
I like it. She's got a superhero look to her tonight
[Elena watching Siniakova playing like six hours of tennis today after finishing off Bogdan in less than 90 minutes.](https://c.tenor.com/Zbc_mkkceQIAAAAC/the-boys-so-unfair.gif)
Siniakova is somehow up 5-1 right now, so she's trying hard to keep the total down!
Over a third of the points Elena won was by winners. When she's in good form she's so fun to watch. Just booming shots and serves.
she has this mental issue when her serve goes, her whole game disappears into nothing and she never recovers. this is something she has to work on if she wants to consistently make it to the later stages of tournaments and become a top 5 player.
6-1 6-1 for Rybakina, into the final and will be immensely fresher tomorrow than Siniakova, if the latter manages to win her 2nd match of the day tonight.
Rybakina went off today. I expect her to win the tournament.
Boatemort unexpectedly bests Taylor Harry Potter fritz in a duel, rewriting the history of the wizarding world with this magical win
Watching Rybakina right now. She's going to absolutely massacre whoever makes the finals if she keeps playing like this. Bogdan was very good and she got double breadsticked.
Would you say Rybakina has better movement than other tall, big-serving women (Pliskova, Muguruza, thinking back to Sharapova, Davenport)?
Definitely better than Pliskova but not the others. I haven't seen Davenport play so can't comment on that.
she takes more than 2 steps in a row so yes better than plishy lol
i feel like movement similar to mugu? altho mugu serve was never great was it
Mugu's serve was sometimes great but streaky, like all of her game
Hoping that Thiem Wins the Final tomorrow
Is Canada/Serbia playing the doubles?
clutch TB Borna ajmoooooo
My God Ryba! Have some mercy 🙏🏼
Mission parameter "Mercy" not understood.
Response: Increase serve velocity +10km/h
Our fish queen taking no prisoners today
Botic actually playing at an amazing level this week! It's too bad he couldn't play at this level in the US, but hoping for a strong finish to the year.
I thought Katie might still be unwell from the last match since it was basically in the same day, didn't look right from the start, but a retirement after 15 mins damn didn't see that coming :( still a great tournament from her tho, and she's British no 3 now, she can be proud
Linda Fruhvirtova punching the air right now I bet haha, she had to play nearly 3 hours for her semi and Linette just 15mins, sometimes tennis is not fair at all lmao.... nothing against Linette but I'll be rooting for Linda to win, more talented teenagers winning titles is prob what the WTA and tennis in general needs.
looking forward to tomorrow's final :)
Botic handily beating all these top 10/15 players, really hoping he can grab his first title soon
How would you rate his backhand? The power he generates off his serve and forehand reminds me of Jeremy Chardy.
It could improve, but it’s not like a weakness. I’d say his “weakness” is consistency and he also sprays a lot of forehand errors too.
Katie Swan retired from her semifinal match in Chennai. It's too bad, as this was her first tour level semi. But she put up an amazing fight against the conditions last night and it's not surprising she had nothing left today. Linette moves on to the final against Linda Fruhvirtova.
Poor Katie - to be fair, I'm still shocked she managed to battle through yesterday, so less shocked that it got to her eventually. Big rankings jump and becomes British no.3 in any case, so good signs for the future when she's not basically playing in a sauna.
Let’s go Felix! He’s having a great week and seems to play his best in team events…let’s hope this form carries over to the laver cup so that we can get a competitive tie this year
Damn Katie already retired. Hope she feels better.
Surprisingly first retirement of Chennai
lmao love the cilic shrine on the croatian bench
Reminds of this https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPbte6CIRDVwDEfqE_ffF4bL1GDkpdu0bdmw&usqp=CAU
Lmao. Iconic match. Especially as a germany fan 😍😍😍
Fritzy, what you doing...
Sometimes Felix is the hammer, sometimes he’s the nail. So dominant when it’s hammer time.
Auger-Aliassime clinches a quarterfinal berth for Canada. Congratulations!
Felix has 13 aces in two sets against kecmanovic😂
Kenin is going to get a qualifier at Tokyo. Please Sofia advance. I believe.
I wish she would play smaller tournaments like 250s and 125k so she could build up her match play and her ranking. It feels like she keeps entering big tournaments
Is there a reddit where I can discuss playing tennis and ask for tips? 🤔 or would it be in this same thread? I’m debating whether I would need to switch coaches and would love some advice.
r/10s is what you’re looking for
Good luck with the coaching issue!
Ana Bogdan outfit slaying
Ana Bogdan tennis not quite slaying however
Linda Fruhvirtova is moving to #97 in the live rankings. Could reach #74 if she win the title (surpassing Raducanu, lol).
Great week for the Fruhvirtova sisters, both will play finals tomorrow!
Crazy how much bigger the turnout it's in Chennai vs Slovenia. Now I'm wishing all these big names in Portoroz went to Chennai instead.
People can't get enough of those forehands, backhands, volleys, rallies!
Damn you get out of my head!
It's the weekend, that's why
Portoroz has been empty all week.
Actually I remember crowds were there last 2-3 days as well. Maybe the Amritraj family roots have made tennis popular over there. They also used to host the year's first ATP men's tour event (beginning in last week of December) every year from 97- 2017!
nice one Linda, even if you don't win the final I guess you're at least winning WTA newcomer of the year with that one haha, wonder when was the last time a 17 year old made it to a WTA final
unlucky podorsoka you were prob the slightly better player since u had more winners, but made too many unforced errors and kept losing leads... so maybe you weren't unlucky after all lol
so linette's last seed standing huh? swanny it's your time now, pls win somehow :)
Gauff won her 1st title at 15 in 2019 I believe
Cheers :) ofc it's someone like Coco Gauff I should've known lol
That one kid shouting "C'mon Linda!" throughout the match can sleep easy! ☺️
Fuck yeah Domi, great win
Linda has amazing talent reminds me of a unrefined version of Sharapova. she needs an attacking coach to develop her attacking game which we can see in limited moments. but not a fan of her strategic MTO.
I think she needs to fix her court positioning, she obviously has the power to play more aggressive if she wants (and she still will get stronger, she is 17).
Fruhvirtova's celebrations are the complete opposite of Rybakina's. Lol
She is so emotional all the time. But it's cool to see all that passion and what it means for her. First WTA final at 17!
Now I feel terrible for not going to watch it live. Seems to be a decent turnout and good support for Linda in particular.
Linda into the finals! Really impressed with her ability to comeback after being down. She just keeps fighting.
Take a bow Linda! Looking forward to her future successes!!
Podoroska won that game after the MTO, it didn't affect the outcome.
Linda F makes the final! Breaks the Top 100, and becomes the #1 Linda, and #1 under-18 player, in the world!!!
\#1 Linda - a status that even Serena and Steffi couldn't achieve
Nor can Brenda, more importantly.
Botic's been playing some fantastic tennis this week
Fumbling 3 match points in a row... So painful.
Didn't fumble any of them, Podoroska stepped up imo. Makes the fourth, though!
The latter two definitely. The first one though she miffed the return and the serve wasn't exactly a Rybakina serve.
The way Botic is playing right now, he’d be a top 15 player. So good. Amazing tennis
What a way to break Domi 😍
Siniakova has made the singles finals after a long time but this definitely feels like Rybakina's title to lose.
That was QF -- SF still to come tonight! (Rain delays)
Domi's forehand has been pretty good today, apart from on some important points
what a return game that was from Linda, hit 2 perfect winners and had her opponent so rattled she missed an open court
there was me thinking the 17 year old was starting to run out of gas lmao
4-4 now in the 3rd set...
Damn! What a match! This is Sini's first final in more than a year. 👏👏👏
That was a delayed QF! She has to play SF night match tonight against Friedsam. (I got confused on the exact same thing myself until I realized.) Paolini can really hit the ball -- Siniakova squeaked out of that match, and really dug deep to come back in the tiebreak.
Lol! I watched the entire match thinking it's the semis 😓
Final or sf?
actually this is her first sf this year!
Let’s go Domi! It’s so hard to watch challenger streams, the ball just disappears when it’s on the receiver’s side 😫
My eyes go blind whenever the challenges happen.
I was rooting for Jasmine, but both players played great, congrats to Kateřina, she better win this whole thing!
hoping raducanu draws bouchard r1 in the seoul slam
Closest thing to a federer nadal match well get
That's my girl! Amazing resilience by Katya today. Three hours on court, though, and she's still got a Semi to play today too...
She's gonna be knackered. It felt like every close call was going Paolini's way, plus she was hitting powerfully.
Come on domi
Felix picking up right where he left off against Alcaraz, going up a break against Kecmanovic.
Dude what, Linda is having another MTO?
And Fruhvirtova asks for another MTO right after getting broken 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ridiculous behavior, seriously.
I don't get why people think every MTO is fake. She was pointing to something in detail while talking to the physio and the conditions in Chennai are brutal.
It's been particularly hot and humid today. Was atleast bearable in the past few days
The thing is, she’s only done the MTO’s while she’s behind in the score. It can destroy momentum for the opponent
yeah because that's what happens when something is bothering your body, you lose games that maybe you wouldn't.
She should take one before her own serve, then. And every time she takes one she comes back running like De Minaur.
Per the WTA rulebook on the timing of MTOs: "Wait until the next change of ends or set break to see the PHCP."
You can only take an MTO before your own serve if you're serving the even games, or it's an urgent acute injury.
She is taking the MTO at the change of ends, it's the natural thing to do. Minor injuries don't stop players from running, they all play with injuries but these things can be bothersome, escpecially in a long match like this.
YESSS DENNNISSS NOW COME ON DOMI
Hmm wasn't sure that was out, Linda saved from being broken there
...but then dfs and gives the break away anyway bloody hell Linda haha
3-2 podoroska now...
Thiem x Humbert final would ne nice
Podoroska/Fruhvirtova match has turned into a battle.
If faa’s only davis cup win ends up being vs alcaraz, I’m gonna be annoyed. Dude just had to peaks against carlos
Good semi final matches in both Chennai and Portoroz so far...
Shame Siniakova doesn't play much singles. She's a good singles player. Understandable I guess considering she's putting together an all time career as a double.
Weirdly for an apparent doubles specialist she can absolutely smoke it from the baseline but is shaky on volleys. Her whole aesthetic is bipolar though, which is why she’s so much fun to watch.
Hey now, Kateřina has beaten Halep, Sharapova, and even Serena in singles (not in their prime, but still), and she defeated #1 Osaka (at the French Open). :)
Her serve is a big hurdle for singles success I think
She's played 20 tourneys in singles this year, but has rarely made it past the first round or two.
Won an ITF in Poland a few weeks ago beating Magda Linette in final.
Well, she plays. She's a TOP 100 player in Singles.
My man Thiem can really be a contender by the time next season begins! DomiNation's gonna eat in '23
Thiem is moving great right now
Thiem a set and break up against Gaston!
Have the us advanced out of the groups yet and if not what do they have to do?
I think they have qualified for the knockout stage, at least according to Wikipedia.
Linda Fruhvirtova takes the 2nd set 6-2, feels like she'll take the 3rd set too. Clearly does not want to be outdone by her sister today haha
You joke but I think this is a serious motivation. She was slumping, then she watched her sister win all those tournaments back in August, closing the gap in the rankings and now she is playing well again. This little battle could be great for them. They also don't want to do worse than the other czech teens, Bejlek and Noskova. They all will keep pushing each other.
great :) family rivalry ftw
czechs have got some seriously scary young players, who do you think is the most talented? for me it's Linda F, but i haven't actually watched any of the others so i could be wrong haha
young czechs pushing each other is awesome, this is why i'm hoping katie swan wins today, raducanu needs a rocket up her arse too lol
I think Brenda is the most talented, she is winning all those matches at 15 (24 in a row now and only 2 sets lost) and she is in the top 200 already but they all have good weapons. Noskova can hit the ball pretty hard and flat, has a great serve. Bejlek is a short girl but has a great tennis IQ and is as fast as Alcaraz, lol. She qualified for the US Open a few weeks ago at 16 and is in the top 200 too.
Kind of lucky then that Brenda is sticking with wolfing W25s and hasn’t moved up to hammer people in W60s and W80s just yet. :)
yeah I didn't want to see her playing another of these but I get why they're doing that. They want all the ranking points they can get now, to play more freely in 2023 and be able to enter bigger tournaments (even as a seeded player). And seeing how reliable she is on the W25 it was a good decision. Only the final rounds of W80 and W60 gives more points than a W25 win. I blame the stupid limits that WTA/ITF imposed on juniors. They need to make tons of calculations before deciding what tournaments they will play.
Yeah, if what they want this year is the maximum professional matches possible, then five rounds of ten W25s is better than maybe averaging two-four matches in each W80.
I found a comment from 2016 predicting the 2019 us open final to be Thiem vs Zverev out of nowhere…they were off by one year but still pretty crazy
Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
Linda Noskova surely looked like she won the battle for #1 czech teen in the last months against Linda Fruh. She broke the top 100 barrier and played her first WTA semifinal, while Fruhvirtova had a little slump. It turns out Noskova lost some points and Fruhvirtova quickly achieved the same things (could even reach a WTA final). Noskova is #104 in the live ranking at the moment and Fruhvirtova is #109. The battle goes on for these two 17 year-olds!
This is like the Drake meme for Siniakova. Pooch volley at the net, nah. Grinding backhand rallies, yeah
Jfc thiem Wasting those BP for triple break like Sand on the beach
Botic’s last name (excluding spaces) is three times as long as Taylor’s
Sorry this isn’t a sealdrop level stat analysis but it’s honest work
He should play mixed Doubles with Li Na