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juankruh1250

It's just me or roger retirement didn't hit as much as i thought i was gonna. Maybe because he barely played since 2020 i don't feel it as much.


Lazy_Left_Eye

He pretty much phased himself out… If he had retired in, let’s say 2017 or 2019 when he was still playing frequently and very well, it would have been a harder shock for fans. Now it is inevitable.


jbartlettcoys

Just woke up and checked the result, let's goooo Yoshi


icecreamwithketchup

Korea should get a permanent ATP license after this year. Demand is there, the tournament was great. Even if China starts hosting tournaments again, Korea deserves an ATP one too.


ExcuseYou-What

Hard agree. If they needed proof of demand, they got it. No excuses, ATP. Let's try to not cram everything in *basically* Europe and China at this time of year.


treyfiddy

I was lucky my holiday coincided with the tournament. had a great experience!


Nastypav12

Great stuff Yoshihito! What a great tactician who rarely makes bad decisions and gets the most out of his serve.


feralvam

Great match from Shapo and Nishi! So many points for the highlights reel. Gutted for Shapo as I was rooting for him, but happy to see him play well again. I guess Shapo's yearly deep run at tournaments starts here?


icecreamwithketchup

Nishioka was falling out of the top 100 prior to Washington, now well in the top 50, Amazing hard court stretch from him


Regular_Antelope4137

more Asian swing for Asian players to shine I guess, all the Asian players played amazingly this past few weeks, Qinwen reached her first WTA final defeating Kudermetova, Badosa in Tokyo, Shuai defeated an in-form Garcia despite 27 aces, and now Nishioka defeated Ruud, Shapovalov and won Seoul. Great result for all the Asian boys and girls


icesticles

3:30am here in Toronto Canada. Why do I do this to myself, being a Shapo fan.


ExcuseYou-What

I think the subtle layer of underestimation of Nishioka has been supremely unfair despite his scintillating form this week. Shapo did not, actually, blast him off the court (now 0-2 against Nishi). And why *should* Casper have beaten Nishi this week just because he's world No. 2? Nishioka was truly unstoppable this tournament. The commentators put it best earlier this week: "There were flames coming off of the balls from Nishioka's racquet."


anonreasons

People see that he lacks weapons (which is somewhat true) and assume that he is easily overpowered. But his ability to redirect pace and change the arc of the ball is incredibly frustrating for ball smashers like Rublev and Shapo, who want to smash the ball from the same angle repeatedly until you give up or return one weakly. But he is able to avoid that with his redirection - and ability to get depth on his return groundstrokes, even if the ball isn't moving that fast. He has such a deep bag of shots - he can go to the lob, the drop shot, inside out forehand, down the line - it make him capable of interminable rallies, which is the key to beating Shapo. I actually made a nice chunk on Yoshi 2:0 for this reason


Tricky-Author-8226

Nishioka has the same number of titles as Felix and Shapo combined 💅


workthrowawaybro

I should have chosen Singapore Grand Prix instead :'( Really good match though Goodnight y'all


Pisces_Mermaid

Saw someone make a poll on twitter earlier this week if either, both, or neither of Shapo/Sakkari would win their respective title and the neither option had the most votes 😭😭 similar horrific semifinal track records. Both talented but can’t put it together when it matters


treyfiddy

man I'm absolutely gutted for shapo :( but nishioka was the deserved winner. what a tournament for him!


icecreamwithketchup

Shapo had a bunch of chances, just didn't take many of them. Nishi GOAT


AttorneyJumpy2408

優勝おめでとう!!!


colby983

Yay Nishi


balmafula

Some wild misses from Shapo in that tie break.


treyfiddy

he couldn't paint the lines like he did against brooksby yesterday :( shapo consistency


treyfiddy

the value of my signed nishioka hat from yesterday about to MOON


dpanglas

STONKS


inn3rblooom

I’m in Australia. How the fuck do I watch this. The channel that is meant to be showing this has ‘Seoul final’ listed, but instead is showing some other bullshit highlights.


AttorneyJumpy2408

nishi goat


Psychological_Bug676

This match is so good 🔥🔥🔥


Miss_Medussa

Really enjoyable match thus far


Earnmuse_is_amanrag

Nishioka needs to look at Cam Norrie and ask himself, why not me


treyfiddy

nishioka has found another level this Seoul Open. amazing stuff from him.


ballshallnotlie

It feels like this crowd is backing Shapo more than Nishioka? Thought Nishi would get more support


Regular_Antelope4137

they are true tennis fans. they are the rare few that wows at Penko's every shot


treyfiddy

was there live. this is true lmao. even when penko challenged calls inside the lines the crowd only cheered and laughed. no boos.


icecreamwithketchup

Some of the FH angles Shapo has been hitting this week are just perfect. So many dead stretch on the run FHs hit at the perfect trajectory to make a winner that drops like two feet close to the net


musicalchad

Let’s go Shapo! Huge forehands to break!


meimaj

That forehand out wide coming through for Shapo!


musicalchad

Is Shapo still with Polansky? I thought he’d brought Youzhny back on at the uso


icecreamwithketchup

Still with both I think, Youzhny is just not in Korea rn


musicalchad

Ah gotcha, thanks!


DrKersh

shapo is seething


shegotofftheplane

This is the first time I’ve seen Shapo hit 2-3 backhands in a row


mblase

Idk if its just because he’s playing Nishioka who doesn’t have a big serve, but Shapo’s one hand backhand return is looking crispy


meimaj

Backwards cap Shapo is back and we're back to Denis trying to finish points very early. Hmm...


[deleted]

That might be good against Nishi. Seems like Nishi's winning the rallies way more.


meimaj

Agree! Hope the error count doesn't go up with the changed tactics.


[deleted]

Shapo's cap is now backwards. Calm Shapo might've left the building after he gave away the first set.


dpanglas

LMFAO it’s like fuccboi mode activated


Pisces_Mermaid

Nishioka playing like he’s been in the top 20 for the past 5 years, no clue where the level has come from this year Crazy defense in two of those points. Had no business winning them


Blipblapboop

Hell yea, Yoshi has been playing some lights out tennis this week, hope he can finish this in 2.


musicalchad

Bruh Shapo why tho


AttorneyJumpy2408

crazy point!


CenterOfGravitas

I swear only Shapo loses that set that way with all his break chances


workthrowawaybro

:/


Regular_Antelope4137

shapo's volley...


meimaj

Oh no Denis..


ExcuseYou-What

they're physically killing each other right now in Seoul If Nishi wins this match, that hold from 0-40 will be THE game (as if he hasn't already played more crazy games this whole week).


meimaj

Often times we get finals that are a bit anti-climactic but oh boy this one's a goody. No rain please! *Knock on wood*


feralvam

This Shapo-Nishioka match is so much fun!


shegotofftheplane

Seoul has had good crowds for both the WTA event last week and ATP this week. Chennai had great crowds too. Hopefully the tours can see they don’t need China and can still promote tennis in Asia to many many Asian fans


Al-Naru

Hope the ATP open their eyes. A masters 1000 away from Shanghai please. Tokyo would be really great to host one.


mblase

I’m in love with this version of Shapo that doesn’t just nuke balls after a couple shots. Even if he loses I want him to keep playing like this


icecreamwithketchup

Shapo and Nishioka are just playing insane points right now


CyanideMuffins

Man, when Nishioka is dialed in, he's such a threat. He's gotten a LOT more aggressive over the last year.


meimaj

Cheering for Shapo but hot damn Nishioka pulling off some crazy shots right now


sophiecoyote

lfg shapo, complete the 2022 comeback!


Nastypav12

Shapo/Nishioka underway in Korea final. Love to see Yoshihito win the title although Denis is pumped up in early going.


shegotofftheplane

Excited for kontaveit/krej tomorrow (both of them need this title). Their semi in Sydney earlier this year was great. Krej got bageled in the first set then saved 7 match points to win the third set in a 14-12 tiebreaker. It was very fun to watch (after the first 1.5 sets)


General-Law-7338

It suppose to rain in Seoul all day. Will they play finals indoor?


shegotofftheplane

As expected (since he caught Covid a few days ago), Norrie is out of Tokyo, resulting in an even weaker draw


GreenIcedTea00

On the figure skating sub, there was a post about the Russian Sports Minister saying that Russian athletes will temporarily not be allowed to train or compete abroad. Anyone heard of this or know more info. Will this have any impact on the Russian tennis players?


indeedy71

I doubt it, most of them are already settled abroad


workthrowawaybro

A Russian hockey goalie was basically abducted by the government and sent to some outpost in the middle of nowhere after signing a contract with the Flyers


misshighsmith

Seriously? Russian players must be worried about their season next year. Can you imagine another ban from Wimbledon?!


indeedy71

Thankfully (other) tennis authorities have shown a significant problem with that. If there’s another ban, combined with the fact that few of the highly ranked players at the moment actually like grass, plus a continuation of no points, it will just continue to undermine Wimbledon as an actual tennis competition. It will never stop being ‘Wimbledon’, but a decrease in relevance is possible


AlliterateAlso

Don't many of the high profile ones at least live and train abroad for large chunks of the year already? Kasatkina isn't heading back anytime soon.


indeedy71

Medvedev hasn’t lived there since he was a teenager. Even those who ‘live’ there are barely there


Dennis3107

Why is Ajla having to qualify but not Emma? Excuse my ignorance.


Chosen1gup

The entry deadline was before Emma lost her USO points


Dennis3107

Thanks


indecider1

dawg did you guys know moscarella has been reinstated as an umpire on the WTA after calling a 16 year old ballgirl "very sexy" on court during a match????????????? https://opencourt.ca/2022/09/19/reinstated-moscarella-in-the-chair-for-chennai-wta-final/


jsnoodles

Glad I went to sleep ffs Maria.


AlliterateAlso

How, indeed, do you solve a problem like Maria...?


meditation_account

Does anyone know what time the Tel Aviv final will be aired on the tennis channel? I want to tune in but I don’t know what time. Thanks Edit: never mind it’s at 11:30 am ET


AncientLyte

Daily reminder that Novak should have been awarded Wimbledon 2022 points and been allowed to play at ao and uso.


Warboomer

Good thing individuals aren’t given special treatment


AncientLyte

Rule shouldn’t have been there.. they are taking it down for a reason


JaelPendragon

If he was scientifically literate he would have had zero problems. It's his own fault only


PigsLiveOakland

Djoko — Cilic will be the first 250 final between two slam champs since Antwerp in October, 2019. (Wawrinka vs Murray.)


Wannabe_ATH

Can cilic challenge the djoker? The answer is no


zombiezebra1990

lol. Of course he can and you'll see that tomorrow.


[deleted]

Cilic is 2-18 against Novak.


Sad_Consideration_49

Cilic djokovic is pretty incredible for a 250 final.


BelgianBond

They had a great final at Queens club when it was a 250. ETA: I forgot London had been upgraded to 500 status by that match in 2018.


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AlliterateAlso

[https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-on-the-line-tennis-podcast/id1579327726](https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-on-the-line-tennis-podcast/id1579327726) does the analysis, but it is generally of the previous weeks results. I think [https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-tennis-podcast/id530971441](https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-tennis-podcast/id530971441) does history type episodes, though now more in their Friends subscription ones now. [https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-functional-tennis-podcast/id1469714268](https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-functional-tennis-podcast/id1469714268) and [https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/check-the-marc/id1549359212](https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/check-the-marc/id1549359212) both do more interviews and features with players and others in the tennis world.


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This is great! Do these also talk about WTA or are they mostly about ATP?


AlliterateAlso

I’d say majority ATP, but also a fair degree of WTA coverage from all of them. You can always check the episode descriptions, the last two are generally single feature episodes and OTL gives episode breakdowns with time stamps.


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AlliterateAlso

Yeah, he gets a good variety of guests, from super-agent [Max Eisenbud](https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-functional-tennis-podcast/id1469714268?i=1000559373775) (on how he handled Sharapova and Raducanu's blue-chip sponsorships), to [Michael Chang](https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-functional-tennis-podcast/id1469714268?i=1000564697934) to several coaches, like Piatti to hard-working players like Bondar or Tami Korpatsch on the struggles of the tour.


[deleted]

If Emma makes a decent run at Ostrava it'd do wonders for her confidence. The entire field is a murderer's row.


Kahn-wald

Muguruza has gotten a wildcard for the Cluj 250 tournament, which is fine, she can do that, but she's also in the San Diego entry list, which happens in the same week. What a mess.


Kahn-wald

Ok, this is not true. It's fake. I fell for a joke from one of those annoying tennis fan pages from twitter.


GamamJ44

Cilic is the sort of guy who would do well to come to the net more. So frustrating to watch. Glued to the baseline, and the ball bouncing???


leetnewb2

Probably. But it is so satisfying to watch him club forehands.


The_Entheogenist

Huesler beat Rune in straights earlier this year at Bastaad. And Rune was looking very gimpy by the end of the Sinner match today. I wouldn't be surprised if the Swiss #1 wins Sofia tomorrow.


istasan

Well Rune had cramps yesterday - and still managed to win in 3 sets today. He seemed more at ease physically than Sinner (before the injury) I would say. So don’t think it is likely to be an issue.


Slambodog

Just checked to see how Linda Noskova did in Qualiesand saw that she lost. To another Czech teenager. That I had never heard of. I swear, every week, I'm learning about a new Czech teenager. Can't imagine what their BJK Cup team will be like in 5 years or so


AlliterateAlso

"Very competitive to get in to."


Sweetcarolinelove

At the Olympics, countries can only have 4 players. That will be even harder - last year muchova was the fourth highest Czech but Vondrousova had a protected ranking so played instead.


HopeistheAnthemLITM

Tel Aviv umpire so patient with fans when telling them, repeatedly, to sit down: "Let's take our seats, please. Thank you." 🥰 "Sit down, quickly, please." 🙂 How long can he keep this up? A set later: "Sit down! I mean it! Take your seats! Now!" 😡


Slambodog

Imagine Samuel L. Jackson officiating a tennis match


Ramiah73

Shapo vs Nishioka is the first all-lefty non-European ATP final since Umag 2000 (Rios vs Puerta) I know I've added a lotta criteria like "all-lefty" "non-European" "ATP" but it still feels like a long long time ago. For instance, we already had like three all-lefty finals in this year (ARV vs Tabilo; Rafa vs Norrie; Molcan vs Norrie)


Slambodog

ATP Finals between two non Europeans are rare enough as it is. And there aren't any prominent lefty American or Aussies


Bobswissface

isn't acapulco non-european?


PigsLiveOakland

I think you’re misunderstanding the stat…


WeakDuck8

for those wondering here's a video of Sinner's ankle roll: [https://twitter.com/HernanBourdieu/status/1576274439117082624](https://twitter.com/HernanBourdieu/status/1576274439117082624) doesn't look as Zverev-esque, but can't imagine playing Astana would be a wise choice


chespiotta

[Bouchard joins Raducanu and Krejčíková at the Transylvania Open](https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/WTA_Tennis/121404/bouchard-joins-raducanu-and-us-open-champion-at-transylvania-open/)


Sad_Consideration_49

I don't particularly love genie but it's nice to see her working hard on her comeback. I think she can make it back to top 100


Unaatennista

Why is the Cilic match delayed?


PigsLiveOakland

Marin still bouncing the ball in the locker room


icecreamwithketchup

Lord Tomic is on a 9 match win streak on the ITF level


chespiotta

*Lord Tomic GOAT is on a 9 match win streak on the ITF level


Aldturex

Kyrgios, beware 😂


Nabucodonosor89

Bartunkova (16) beat Noskova (17) in WTA 500 Ostrava qualies. Another very good czech prospect. Linda Fruhvirtova is playing in Tunisia next week. Now I'm convinced that the Fruhvirtovas are not happy with the czech tennis federation.


Sweetcarolinelove

Ostrava is a 500 so she probably would have to play qualies so makes sense to play in Tunisia. Siniakova is Czech and is doing the same thing


Nabucodonosor89

They could've given her a WC, she is 1 of their biggest prospects and just won a WTA title. Brenda skipped multiple ITFs in Czech Republic last month as well to play in other countries. There is something going on...


Sweetcarolinelove

She trains in France so maybe she feels like she doesn't get enough support from the Czech federation?


lady_ofthelake_

Maria 😢


nicoc9

Is Sinner going to be this generation‘s unfulfilled potential injury-cursed player?


misshighsmith

What happened to him?


icecreamwithketchup

Still too early to tell. I think he needs to put on some more muscle to get more resilient, same thing for Korda who's also promising and had a bunch of injuries so far


ExcuseYou-What

The Tel Aviv and Tallinn interviewers are treating their post-match interviews like a press conference and I kinda... really hate it. It's not the time to ask, "why did you throw in that cautious serve? why did you get so emotionally volatile? why did you need three sets?"


AlternativeVariety57

a single boob throw ?


rock_Banana

Novak Vs Cilic! Let’s go!


PigsLiveOakland

Lestienne hasn’t lost yet…


zombiezebra1990

As if Lestienne had a chance against Cilic. lol


rock_Banana

Happy? lol


sriv_ak_04

Novak Djokovic reaches his 4th Final of the 2022 Season


Unaatennista

Idemo!!!


AlternativeVariety57

nole's kit looks so dope tho


Gaarando

Not a huge fan of the color myself.


verismonopoly

Sakkari not only inherited Stosur's biceps but also her being a mental midget. Poor gal.


Sweetcarolinelove

Stosur has a grand slam and many titles, Maria only has Rabat


zombiezebra1990

And Rabat was a fluke. I don't think Sakkari wins another tournament before she retires.


shegotofftheplane

Stosur won a slam, that too beating Serena. Sakkari is clinging onto Rabat


Gaarando

Djoko having such an inconsistent serve is such a huge issue.


jasonfrey13

It’s always interesting watching players mentally collapse in TB’s against the best players. It is RARE when a lower ranked player manages to hold their nerve and actually win one. Djokovic is really smart to just keep the ball in play and refuse to miss because he knows his opponents will


manga_be

Goat pusher


SmoothLettuce

Barty should take a WC to Guadalajara and see if she can qualify for the wta finals


shegotofftheplane

Funny thing is if she had ranking points she wouldn’t even need a WC cuz she’d be around world #12-13


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Lol can you imagine the flex that'd be to the rest of the tour.


Miss_Medussa

Safiullin doing his best to throw the tb


Miss_Medussa

How many net chord winners is that today? 3 or 4?


Unaatennista

Come on Nole!


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Jaaaa this MFers!! Hope Sinner is healthy for Astana, but glad Rune is winning. His mental seems in a different level than it was just earlier this year.


nicoc9

Astana starting in 2 days, no byes. That was a nasty roll. Doubt he plays. His team would be very dumb to let him play.


A-dab

Love seeing Safiullin doing well in this tournament. I enjoyed watching him with Medvedev at the ATP Cup back in January but he kinda slipped under my radar after that.


Antonio_is_better

Djokovic is more fun when he's mildly pissed sometimes


Miss_Medussa

BH DTL = 💦💦


throwawayanon1252

Come on safiulin give us a third set


onyxrose81

So he couldn’t have that service game at 5-4, huh?


ReadyComplex5706

I wanted to go for a run at 2:30, why is Djokovic making things interesting?


icecreamwithketchup

This is mostly rust from Novak, but it's also just age. The big 2 can't really play in GOAT mode for a whole tournament anymore, they can dominate a couple matches and a couple sets here and there, but the rest has to be won in like 2nd/3rd gear (which is still a top 10 level at worst).


Antonio_is_better

Holding your damn serve one game is hardly down to age. If anything I think age just makes that they can't practice as many hours and still remain peak fitness, and slightly less practice just makes them less inconsistent. They've needed to learn periodization as if they're Tour de France cyclists


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The big 2 has won 3/4 slams this year lol, the only tournaments where they play 5 setters.


icecreamwithketchup

And a lot of those matches are won in 3rd gear, also the reason why they drop sets randomly or get taken to TBs by people they should be beating easily.


AncientLyte

Roman showing fight


A-dab

Ah Maria, you can tell she's holding the tears back :(


AncientLyte

Crying over a 250? Lmao 😭🤣


onyxrose81

Crying because she’s a headcase and knows she blew it yet again.


Unaatennista

Djokovic not playing like himself right now


Gamer_moment15

Chokeovic?


SmoothLettuce

Djokovic engaging Sakkari mode


WeakDuck8

is set 2 Safiullin the same Safiullin from set 1??? or did they swap someone out.


slayer_of_potatoes

Set 1 Safiullin was his brother, Venetian Safiullin.


onyxrose81

Sigh. Upvote.


Idefydefiance

Djokovic taketh and giveth right back


SWALLOWTHEDAMNPILL

How is everyone feeling about Cilic?


slayer_of_potatoes

Mildly annoyed because he beat Thiem.


Miss_Medussa

He’s a cool guy


icecreamwithketchup

He's one of the biggest sweethearts on tour but looks like a merciless killer on court


Unaatennista

I think he is going to win the tournament


Unaatennista

That was a pretty horrible service game from Nole


onyxrose81

Ugh, Novak.


taurinos

The Djokovic 1st serve is such a weapon these days and key to his longevity. I don't feel his 2nd serve is shining as much though. In 2015, his placement and pace was so good that either Gilbert or McEnroe said they put it just behind the Sampras 2nd serve.


Unaatennista

Come on Nole!