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Not surprised Nadal at the French Open is pure domination


handsoffmydicks

What's most surprising is Agassi losing less than 50 games in AO '03. He lost only one set in the tournament and was very dominant throughout.


sunseekerslade

And Nadal is on this list yet again for his US Open 2013 win on hard courts. Incredible versatility.


Urmomletmerubher

35 games lost is an average of 5 games per match. That's like winning every match to a GS Title by a score of 6-2 6-2 6-1.


necropuddi

Holy shit


AngloAlbanian999

Say a prayer for Basilashvili who won 1 game in the 3R (6-0 6-1 6-0) when Nadal was en route to the 2017 title.


handsoffmydicks

That's brutal. Imagine how he felt after that match. Might as well have stood to the side and would have won just one game less.


SubstanceDistinct269

that's like the score line between coach and student... nadal should really charge poor basi for the clinic hitting


ktssaiteja

I'm surprised that Rafa '17 beats all the other Rafas


RedShenron

Tbf the 08 draw was a lot harder


Elarbolrojo

17-22 is kind of a weak era relative to what was before - obviously.


paxxx17

'17 was a very weird year, two absolute best players from the year before were completely gone


himalayanthro

tbh it's very easy to guess edit: and i'm surprised Roger isnt there even once, wudve imagined he'd be there


Sgtweed

also to consider there's no wimbledon runs there (Roger's best slam), likely because it's easier to hold on that surface


PuffyHamster

In general, Roger would opt for strategic breaks in a set, he would not fight for every game like Nadal does. Of course, there were exceptions where he would just remain on God mode throughout the match.


condor1985

Let's not forget that Roger isn't the same level returner as Novak or Rafa or Andre - he simply doesn't break as often and so opponents get more service holds. If you want to let up the least games, you need to be breaking all the time. I won't go as far as "that's his strategy" because I'm quite sure he'd take a 6-0, 6-0 win if it were on the table (as he did to Gaston Gaudio at the masters cup that year - poor guy)


danymsk

Also 6-0 6-0 againsf older Zverev (on grass even)


aceh40

Much harder to lose so few games on hard or grass. Opponent can hold serve more easily. They got nowhere to hide on clay.


djta94

Not really, Fed would always aim win to 6-4 6-4 6-4, which is efficient in a way (and it showed in the sense that he would barely look tired).


Shinybobblehead

Partially just a quirk of the specific way they’re defining “most dominant runs” Alternatively, you could look at Grand Slams won without losing a set and you would see that Roger’s done that twice (07 AO and 17Wimbledon)


guess_who____

I think 2008 is more dominant. If I remember correctly there was a retirement in 2017 against Nadal in the quarter finals?


rockardy

Also the fact he beat federer for the loss of 4 games in the final


Qwertyui606

Man, rafa on clay is still dominance beyond belief. The French open always had the most upsets and random winners. Lately, it's been the most predictable, with the us open being the crapshoot slam.


koticgood

35 games lost in 21 (20.5 sets to be accurate) sets en route to a major title That's just beyond outrageous. I mean really, think about that. That means a 6-2 set was longer than the average set he played lmao ...


FlyReasonable6560

I’m surprised Nadal’s USO 13 is on here and not his USO 10


perilouspear

Me too. Without looking it up, I would never have guessed he lost less games in 13 than in 10. He seemed so dominant in 10, especially on serve.


typhoidsergei

Where did you get these stats from? This is cool!


handsoffmydicks

The data is from UTS, the rest I made myself!


Pure-Insurance430

This stat doesn't have the same weight on slow and fast surfaces, because fasters surfaces favour serve more, and it's much harder to break opponent, even if you are clearly a better player. So you can't have so many dominant sets with losing 0, 1 or 2 games, as you can on clay. You can't call dominant performance on GS just using lost games. It's like using number of aces as a metric for best serving performance. It's obvious what in that case Wimbledon would be favoured more. Being dominant on RG, Wimb. or hard court are completely three different things and can't be observed in the same way.


OddsTipsAndPicks

Agassi’s record at the Australian Open might low key be the most impressive one on the list for this reason. Though I suppose looking at the hold rate for each tournament would be necessary to say for sure.


sunseekerslade

Nadal is literally on this list multiple times, including for both clay (French Open) and US Open (hard courts).


Pure-Insurance430

I didn't say anything against Nadal. Just that this stat is not good representation for all courts combined. It favours slower once, for obvious reasons.


ktssaiteja

Only 35 Games lost?? Djokovic lost 36 games in the 2019 Wimbledon Final alone that he actually won!


throwawaynmb69

Expected to see Daniil here since he only dropped 1 set, but he still lost 70 games. Really puts into perspective how dominant these guys are


mazmoto

Imagine if the swap between clay and hard courts never happened!!


kapaa7

Anyone else surprised Rafa is on there for US Open as well? So much for clay court specialist...


sunseekerslade

Nadal hasn't been a clay court specialist for like 15 years.


juankruh1250

Federer?


handsoffmydicks

Won Wimbledon '17 without losing a set, but didn't crack the top ten in terms of games lost.


juankruh1250

Weird, he is such a good serve so it's weird that he is not here.


handsoffmydicks

Someone with exceptional returning ability like Novak, Rafa or Andre would be more likely to bagel or breadstick their opponents.


juankruh1250

Federer is a great returner, he just sucks at break points


handsoffmydicks

He is great at every aspect of the game, that's what makes him one of the GOATs. But Novak is the greatest returner of all time, and Rafa and Andre are surely amongst the top 5. That's why they can win matches with minimal games lost when they are steamrolling the competition.


TuneSquadFan4Ever

Stats wise (going off just this era not going back super far because that would take too long to confirm), Novak is the greatest returner of all time, followed by...Diego Schwartzman, then Rafa. Novak and Diego trade the top spot depending on the season but it's usually Novak (this season was a comfortable Novak win, Diego wasn't doing hot). Diego just doesn't stand out more because his serve *really* sucks. Like it sucks enough that the man has to literally be good enough at returning to trade blows with Novak to be in the top 20 (and crack top 10 once). https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/y063vg/occasionally_i_just_like_to_look_at_this/ His match stats tend to be on the absurd side because of that lmao


handsoffmydicks

Rafa is not nearly as good a returner as guys like Novak and Andy. But once he gets the ball in play, he's in control against all but a few great players. That's why he got a great return game %.


TuneSquadFan4Ever

That and clay. I don't mean to dismiss Rafa when I say this, just that he's *so good* on clay that a lot of his overall stats go up based on that. The ATP website is really good at breaking stats down by surface and it's a wonderful timesink. But yeah even without clay Rafa is just really solid at just powering through rallies. If he gets the ball back, he can construct a point from a losing position through sheer grit and buggy whips, the man is insane.


handsoffmydicks

True. 2013 Rafa is still my favourite version of his. He was the best player on hard courts that year. A lot of it carried over into 2014, and he made the AO final, but then the back injury was the beginning of the end until he came back in 2017.


juankruh1250

Yes but Federer has a better serve and it's in my opinion the greatest shotmaker in history. The combination of him hitting aces and hitting winners from anywhere should allow him to be on this list.


handsoffmydicks

Your serve will only win you half the games in the set. If you want to limit the number of games your opponent wins, you'll have to break their serve. Rafa didn't get broken even once in 2017 iirc. The serve would be irrelevant in this case.


juankruh1250

Federer might not be as good returner but he is still top 10 for me, just look at this return https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gcvLbtaNxM In my opinion, this is the best return ever made, no other player in history apart from Roger could've made it.


handsoffmydicks

On his backhand at that. Peak Federer was crazy. Federer before he turned 30 was the best player tennis has ever seen off clay imo.


Elarbolrojo

Ye relative to chumps but relative to the Goat returners like Murray-Agassi Nadal and Djoko he is not on their level of returning. The stats show this clearly.


juankruh1250

Excuse me? Tell those players to do this with a one hand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gcvLbtaNxM


jul_1999

I'ts harder to break in wimbledon than on other surfaces


Elarbolrojo

This metric favors good returners because they break serve more. whereas good servers don't break as much but they cruise through their service games without being touched. This metric doesn't show that. Fed for example would Cruise along and then all of a sudden be interested in the return game at 3-4 or 4-4 then he would pounce and the set was done. I think a better metric would be sets dropped.


always_tired_all_day

Very surprised Nadal's 13 USO is here. That's easily the most surprising one on the list. After witnessing the 08 massacre that was Nadal's FO win, it is stunning that he was even able to come close to that again, let alone improve on it.


handsoffmydicks

In addition to USO'13, Rafa also lost only one set in the entire tournament at USO'10, to Novak in the final. He's very dominant in USO when he's healthy and in-form.


Cthulhu_awaken

Rafa GOAT!


severIn7

Not really


sparklybeast

Raducanu's 2021 US Open would be above any of these. She dropped 34 games, not including qualifying.


23HomieJ

And she played best of 3 not best of 5.


sparklybeast

That wasn't specified as a parameter. Had the OP said 'most dominant male GS performances' it would have been fine.


23HomieJ

It can be assumed. Otherwise every one would be female simply because of BO3 vs BO5.


letskeepitcleanfolks

That's true. However, it's worth noting that if you assume no lost sets (given the level of dominance) and that third sets would look like the first two, she'd be at 1.5*34 = 51, which is still good for fourth on this list.


EyeMiss420

Surprised Novak is on this list at all.


brokenearth10

no federer?