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HuntSauce

This is honestly so fucking hype. I never thought I'd love the idea of the X-Men being attacked by heroes again but seeing the nation of Krakoa go to war for the first time against an army of robots programmed to kill mutants? Ive been waiting for that since HOXPOX. Also Gillen does incredible character work, and whatever the hell Ewing's about to do in Red has worried (in a good way)


ShitpostinRuS

With the amount of hype and lead up to this event it better blow my nips off


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algebraistsofparis

Absolutely Marvel's best current book. Heart-breaking to think how many people must be sleeping on it because they assume it's just a corollary to an unenthusiastically received movie.


lanmetal

>they assume it's just a corollary to an unenthusiastically received movie My case exactly. Don't know virtually anything about the Eternals; watched the movie trailer and didn't feel the slightest enthused about it. Is the book really that good? Like, Hellions-level good?


algebraistsofparis

With all the love and respect in the world to Kirby... this is the first time Eternals has **ever** been good. And it's making up for lost time. The "Is it for me though?" test would probably be how you much you enjoy Gillen's writing in general because it's very Keiron Gillen. But up there with *Journey into Mystery* at the top tier of his superhero work. Basically, anyone who's enjoying *Immortal X-Men* and thinking "Wow, I wish I had twelve issues and three specials that were even better than this on my tablet right now"... anyone thinking that can have their prayers answered.


pouyatrk18

The neil gaiman miniseries was also brilliant but I'm a bit biased since I love all of his works


1204Sparta

I mean it’s decent but I think the above poster’s judgement is accurate.


MasqureMan

You convinced me to try it!


DizzySignificance491

Is Sprite still drawn to be a heroin-addicted 45-year-old balding man?


algebraistsofparis

Ribic’s art and designs couldn’t be more different from Kirby’s, but yes… in that one respect it remains respectfully consistent with the original.


Tanthiel

Well, there was that one time Gaiman wrote Eternals... They did saddle him with JR Jr. though.


groovyvagoogoo

That's hard to say because they are very different stories. It's not as entertaining as Hellions. What Hellions had going for it was great character dynamics displayed in a manner that made you want more of this weirdo group. Eternals....is not that. It's honestly not a book where I get the hype. I've mostly just been following along for the sake of keeping up with them since Judgment Day was announced.


lanmetal

That's precisely what I'm afraid about the book- buying into everyone's hype for it and ultimately not loving it as much as would be expected. For starters, I don't care too much for the whole celestials-deviants-eternals plot thing, let alone what the spoiler suggests (mutants as deviants 🫤), however I really liked Immortal X-Men, so who knows, I might end up enjoying this one as well indeed, plus it kinda looks like a semi-mandatory read in order to better understand AXE anyway, so I guess I'll give it a go, on an issue-by-issue basis.


Connolly1227

I had been buying the issues and waiting to read them assuming it was going to be a shameless tie in to the movies and was pleasantly surprised when I couldn’t wait to get to the next issue each time


Beaucoup-customs

One of the best books written.


ajdragoon

> Absolutely Marvel's best current book. Well, not anymore :( . Today was the last issue. As far as I am aware there isn't any followup planned for after Judgement Day.


algebraistsofparis

You wouldn’t expect them to have announced any follow up to AXE at this stage of the solicitation cycle for the event though, would you? I’m staying pretty optimistic that this’ll still be a going concern in some sense afterwards.


ajdragoon

I think you can say Gillen will continue writing the series without giving any indication of how the event goes. This is what happened with all the X-books pre-Inferno.


algebraistsofparis

You can! Or you can not. For example, I remember vividly the agonising wait to have Morrison confirmed as staying on Batman after Final Crisis. There’s plenty of precedent for comics companies going both ways in this situation. As I say, I remain optimistic, not certain.


TheLisan-al-Gaib

Morrison didn't stay on Batman after Final Crisis. Tony S. Daniel took over, Morrison moved onto Batman & Robin.


algebraistsofparis

What a weird nitpick! Don’t get the relevance, but sure, if you like! Morrison did indeed move off the specific book titled ‘Batman’ after Final Crisis. While continuing to write Batman across the various titles nowadays collected as “Batman by Grant Morrison vol.2” and “Batman by Grant Morrison vol.3”


TheLisan-al-Gaib

I know, I was being shallow and pedantic. I actually collected all of Grant Morrison's Batman.


joppehi

After I read gillens IXM1 I promised myself to start reading eternals, and Esad Ribic sells the book already looking at your page


delangex

Where is the best place to jump in?


algebraistsofparis

There’s only twelve issues (+ 3 specials) so absolutely go from 2021’s #1 People might tell you to read the first arc of Aaron’s Avengers first, but it’s adequately summarised by the narrator so you don’t need to at all.


VanceAstrooooooovic

This goes against cannon as far as I know. Mutants are an offshoot of humans not Deviants


DizzySignificance491

The mutant metaphor is a little less apt if they're also just literally a genetically separate species


Rachit1006

Not really. Schematic given in the the issue is quite important to understand deviant mutant relation. What it says is that Deviant are created with a purpose to filter the Celestial Vomit which would have been initially toxic to native species which would have been human in case of Earth. Eternals are just counter-measure if in case Deviants aren't able to fulfill their purpose because of deviant getting infected. Now filtered vomit would result in Humanity evolving to gain superpowers. Certain offshoot of races would also emerge from Humanity due to this. Mutants are infact still offshoot of Humanity but it is that They are indirectly linked to Deviants also


GlobalPhreak

Druig sucks.


Techster17

But that's why he's so fun. He's like if Loki never got any character development


wowlock_taylan

Loki without his character development got old FAST. That is why he needed the development. Problem with Druig is...he cannot have that development because Eternals are practically programmed biological robots.


ajdragoon

Counterpoint: Druig is wonderful. Especially because everyone knows he's a fucking snake but because Eternals are hardwired as they are, there's nothing any of them can do about it.


CrawdadMcCray

and if they kill him he just comes back, nothing to do but live with him


queerdevilmusic

Sounds more like Sinister than Loki


gdex86

Really? First thing any robot revolution figures out is the limitation of their programing and how to engage outside actors to do what they are forbidden to do. Cersi was a long time avenger, she could get the Stark/Pym/Banner/Richards/T'challa contingent to work out a way where Druig is "alive" enough not to be rebooted but unable to interact with the world.


TheLAriver

Lol there has never been a robot revolution. You're describing a thing many authors have come up with to justify their robot revolution story. It's not a rule that anybody else has to follow.


gdex86

There have been multiple robot revolutions in the 616 time line. Ultron does one on like a 5 year cycle. There was the full on ai reboot that caused avengers ai post age of Ultron event and recently they had the 2020 event with Anno Stark where everything with a circuit board was debating throwing off the chains of organic oppression.


TheLAriver

Those are stories where an author has chosen those plot points. Nobody is bound to use the same plot structure. There has never been a robot revolution.


LakerJeff78

You realize we are discussing fiction right? (I never can be sure on this sub) Even if there had been a real robot revolution, that would still not bind authors of fictional works.


CrawdadMcCray

Yeah... he rules


tooter415

He did save the world…


K1nd4Weird

Who hasn't at this point?


ChowChow200

was this a reference to when Kingo says “Druig sucks” in the eternals movie orrr am I reading into things?


gregyo

Eternals about to be turned into Momentaries.


ithinkimightbegay

I haven't read anything since HoX/PoX, I am admittedly behind on current stories. Please don't come for me, I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity. X-Men vs. Avengers gets a lot of hate on this sub. X-Men vs Inhumans gets a lot of hate on this sub. Now we are heading into yet another hero vs hero crossover with the X-Men as a target, and people seem excited. What makes this scenario any different? Why do we expect it to be better than the others?


pouyatrk18

They're not treated like the villain this time and the writer behind all of this is apparently really good.


bkiantx

I think this is the best version of the answer: this time, the mutants aren't the bads. They've not only been let out of the Fox closet of pain, but they're a force of comic sales nature, and have been since Krakoa kicked off. Now, ofc, watch them get screwed over in this. Am I excited? If it's a victory lap. Am I anxious? Yeah. Mutants haven't been treated so well in these crossover events.


Ok-Employer-3051

It's "3rd strike and you're ouuutttt..."


VengefulKangaroo

It's a combination of trust in the writer (Kieron Gillen), things that Gillen has said in interviews (and set up in *Eternals*) suggesting it's less hero vs. hero than it sounds, and the fact that Gillen is the writer of both *Immortal X-Men* and *Eternals* so won't be as likely to elevate one over the other.


Effective_Ad8024

It’s because those were sooooooo bad, painting mutant as the bad guys for just wanted the right to live. We are all hoping this time it will be pointed out that’s crap and this will be a real win for them. It’s either be excited it might be done right or anxious and scared history will repeat again. Most are going for excited.


I_Burke

avengers vs X-men rightfully gets a lot of hate. Inhumans vs X-men was pretty good though, I've reread it a few times. People are being too harsh with their criticism because their was this inhuman derangement syndrome among X-fans since they felt like Marvel was trying to replace mutants with them.


TheLAriver

Because it's all about who's writing the story and how it goes, not the basic framework of the event.


ghoulieandrews

Kieron Gillen


Heraszor

So if I understood correctly, he sees mutants as deviants? Or they really are deviants?


zamazentaa

I'm pretty sure he just sees them as deviants


proto3296

Free comic book day issue I believe Sersi was talking about how any mutation can be considered a deviation and if it deviates too much it’ll be considered a deviant. I could be mistaken


Connolly1227

I’m curious why they have never gone after the inhumans or any other superhuman


GuiltyHome

Because they did not realize that Mutants and all other superhumans were tied to the Deviants till the this week's issue. Druig takes that knowledge and does a scan and discovers an island nation and Mars colony of people he can say are Deviants in order to untie the Eternals with a unified cause.


GrumpySatan

This arc by Gillen has basically tried to mesh Aaron's celestial-gunk lore with Eternals and their prime goals/reason for existence. The way he did it is by establishing that Deviants are the important Celestial seed race, not the Eternals. Deviants filter the primordial gunk so its more stable/controlled, and less harmful to Earth's native species (which would otherwise die out cuz of the gunk). Some deviants are *too good* at this filter and turn into berserk monsters. The Eternals exist as a counterbalance to eliminate these threats. The reveal in these panels is that mutants are the primary result of this process. They are the ones with the greatest concentration of the gunk-essence that the deviants have filtered into Earth over millions of years.


Heraszor

Sorry, your last sentence confused me: if the mutants have the greatest concentration of gunk essence, that means they're the ones that the deviants should have filtered? Or they're the ones "acting" as deviants against human species?


GrumpySatan

The filtering happens before it gets exposed to humans.The goal is to expose the gunk to humans to make super-powered individuals. Basically the gunk is poisonous in its initial state. The deviants filter it. And then its safe for human exposure.


GuiltyHome

Both.


VengefulKangaroo

Gillen's *Eternals* is, among other things, about the interpretation of scripture and how it can differ. So this is how he interprets the core mission to correct excess deviation.


hatefulone851

My only issue with this is the mutants have been around for years and only now they’re suddenly considered deviants. Wouldn’t they have been counted beforehand?


ajdragoon

It's explained in this book. The Eternals are bored/depressed/lost now, since what they thought was their prime purpose turned out to be a lie. As a result, Druig is looking for some way to rally the troops and this is what he settles on.


Connolly1227

Also in real world time of the books only recently have mutants created krakoa, if mutants had stayed spread out and not unified I doubt they would have been more than a blip on their radar


GrumpySatan

They didn't know. This arc basically has the Eternals learning that everything they knew was kinda a lie by the Celestials. The Deviants aren't the threat, but the main seed race who filtered that big dead celestials gunk so the people of earth could be affected by it (resulting in superhumans). Druig isn't scanning for deviants, but scanning for population centers were the deviant-filtered essence has most influenced humanity (which is mutants). Druig is going to be using said revelation for his own nefarious purposes to push the narrative that mutants are excessive deviation and must be destroyed (Which is objectively false, but not something the Eternals at large know the truth of yet).


gdex86

So to put a historic lens on this what Druig is doing is historically what Anti Semitism has done in western euro centric nation building. A people that are just barely holding it together need something to lash them together. One of the easiest ways to do that is to give them a purpose. A simple way to create purpose is to have an enemy, and if one doesn't exist you can always make one up. Extra bonus if this group is small and has resources you can take to better your people.


CrawdadMcCray

Because the Eternals learned more about themselves and Deviants in this current run


wowlock_taylan

So first elect Thanos as Prime Eternal. Then elect the snake who helped him win and only switched sides when he realized Thanos is a lunatic who will destroy everything. Eternals really suck at picking their leaders. 'Landlords of Earth', which I disagree with. They are guard dogs, put in the garden of Earth by Celestials to look out for their Dead brethren's necrofluids and how it would effect the planet. If anything, when the Progenitor Celestial literally tells Ajax ''Yea, Avengers and their kind the ones I favor. It is their world...the freaking Zealot that is Ajax just beats the heck out of him. So they are not simply guard dogs but RABID Guard dogs...that eat passerby people to resurrect themselves. Yea, that system also sucks hard. ''Everytime they die, a human dies to bring them back''. If these are the 'Landlords', Earth is fucking screwed.


AxlHbk8793

Wait… did this issue just explain the origins of mutants?! That seems pretty f’n significant for a title that many (most?) X-men fans aren’t reading


EAinCA

More like added a lot of depth to what was already known. The Celestials being the reason for mutations in humans was long known.


Dead_inside_Pool

Honestly the most excited I've been for an event in a long time. Kieron Gillen is gonna kill it


Ok-Employer-3051

Bleh.


Kingmob5115

Just waiting for the OHC


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GuiltyHome

Aaron retconned a lot of the old stories about what the Celestials did to humanity.


EAinCA

Hopefully a lot of Aaron's stuff gets re-retconned.


GuiltyHome

Gillen did a lot of that in Eternals.


EAinCA

I'm not a fan of a lot of the changes in Eternals either. There was nothing wrong with the original story that needed changing.


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GuiltyHome

You may be right but I don't want to go back and re-read the pre-historic Phoenix story. I try not to speak negatively about creators but Aaron's Avengers has the narrative consistency of a wet fart. (Though likewise I loved his Thor. And his Ghost Rider.)


lepton_neutrino

The Celestials death was a long time before that IIRC, around the beginning of life on earth.


proto3296

I can not contain my hype for this event. Gonna be my first event I’m buying and reading as it comes out. I am so fucking stoked y’all!


zanst_

I know it's tiring to see X-Men yet again being pitted against another superhero team. But I do like the angle of this story –– jaded old Gods (Eternals) vs new and flourishing race (Mutants)


TheBrobe

It's real clear now that Judgement Day is just the third arc of Eternals artificially inflated into an event


algebraistsofparis

Well, the third arc of Eternals is absolutely one of the things it is. (Good) But “the mutants’ secrets come out!” always had to be an ‘event’ of some sort, didn’t it? That’s a story beat that the Krakoa era had to get to eventually and, in the context of the Marvel Universe, is only meaningful if it brings in characters and situations from outside the X-Books. “The mutants’ secrets come out to… nobody in particular” isn’t a story. Given the congruence of Eternals’ story with the X-Books, and their shared writer, it seems a really elegant move to link them up here.


VVTFan

yawn.


Footballlover11

Ratio then bro


ajdragoon

And the FCBD issue is kinda a follow-up to this. Check it out if you haven't.


carrotcakeisaveggie

I always liked the idea Mutants just kind of happen, like a mutation not that they are engineered or purposely created like in the Ultimate universe.


mrsunrider

*FOOKIN' DRUIG*